first of all i think in the case of general motors i think rick wagoner was very open to female leaders and wanted to see them promoted as fast as possible and put them in conditions of greater responsibility. and willing to push female leaders pretty fast. you know maybe even take a little risk and push them faster than what we would normally say they were ready for it. there is no problem there but it was dan ackerson who made what i consider the boldest move of putting mary bharara and for product development. a broader question competently think it was good to bring outsiders and? i think we have outsiders in all three american companies. you have alan mulally at ford and dan ackerson at gm. i was always have the feeling that an automotive ceo should have an automatic background because he needs to understand the industry. i have revised my opinion on that. the most important is for a nonmotive -- nonautomotive experience ceo to possess good leadership skills and must have the judgment to be able to listen to the right people. alan mulally recently said somebody asked him you were a