high up did that knowledge go in terms of mary barra's predecessors, dan ackerson, whittaker, rick wagoner, henderson, the ceo that is preceded her. very difficult to believe that they didn't have some sense of this liability hanging out. >> david, from what you know about how companies like this work is there a place where the feedback starts to pool up? you know, there was anecdotal information coming back from dealers, coming back from maintenance shops, coming back from consumers themselves who said these kinds of things were happening. if you get a letter from carol in illinois and hollywood, florida, does it start to accumulate somewhere, where somebody reasonbly high up the food chain knew they had a problem of a similar sort with vehicles up the product range? >> there are plenty of opportunities for information like that to pool up. you have to understand the proper handling of that information and the tracking of it has to do with the tread act that was passed, you know, in the early 2000. in the aftermath of the ford explorer firestone tire recall and all of those cases. one of

rick wagoner raised his kids. not only could i not recall an instance where matt lauer or any major anchor asked such a question about managing being a father and the head of a major company. >> right. >> but in general, mary barra was extremely courteous by answering that question j. she was, but in fairness now, matt lauer's talking about this other article she had done with, i believe it was "forbes" magazine, where she brought up and balancing everything. and, you know, kirsten, some would argue that men aren't expected to have to balance it all, so it is part of our conversation. >> matt lauer has three children, and he's running all over the world -- >> in the world is matt lauer, is what he does. >> and nobody has any problem with that. so i think it's sort of a little bit of an excuse to be saying, well, she brought it up and so, therefore, it's fair game. >> i think it was what he was thinking inside, honestly, because that's how he thinks about it, you know? and his wife raises their chirp. i thought he