here with me now is rick warren and his wife kay. this is their first interview since the death of their son matthew. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> my deepest condolences on this awful loss to you and your family. i remember that day. i remember seeing the news breaking. >> thank you. >> obviously you're very famous, rick, and it flew around, i can only imagine what it was like for you two. how have you been coping? >> well, you know, elizabeth kubler ross did this thing called the four stages of dying. and i think there's actually six. we've gone back and forth for months. the first stage is shock. and for us the shock still happens. but at least for the first month i thought matthew was going to walk through the door. i couldn't believe it had happened. it was just so sudden. and then you go through this profound sadness that comes into your life. then you move to what i call struggle. and that's all the why questions. why now, why this, why me, why matthew. and all of that struggle. and then you move to a stage that i c

here we me now is rick warren and his wife kay. this is the first interview since the death of their son matthew. >> thank you. >> my deepest condolences on this awful loss to you and your family. >> thank you. >> obviously you're very famous, rick, and it flew around, i can only imagine what it was like for you two. how have you been coping? >> well, you know, elizabeth kubler ross did this stage of dying. and i think there's actually six. we've gone back and forth for months. the first stage is shock. and for us the shock still happens. but at least for the first month i thought matthew was going to walk through the door. i couldn't believe it had happened. it was just so sudden. and then you go through this profound sadness that comes into your life. then you move to what i call struggle. and that's all the why questions. why now, why this, why many, why matthew. and all of that struggle. and then you move to a stage that i call surrender. i wrote in my journal, i tweeted, i'd rather have all of my requests and not have all of m

here with me now is rick warren and his wife kay. this is their first interview since the death of their son matthew. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> my deepest condolences on this awful loss to you and your family. i remember that day. i remember seeing the news breaking. >> thank you. >> obviously you're very famous, rick, and it flew around, i can only imagine what it was like for you two. how have you been coping? >> well, you know, elizabeth kubler ross did this thing called the four stages of dying. and i think there's actually six. we've gone back and forth for months. the first stage is shock. and for us the shock still happens. but at least for the first month i thought matthew was going to walk through the door. i couldn't believe it had happened. it was just so sudden. and then you go through this profound sadness that comes into your life. then you move to what i call struggle. and that's all the why questions. why now, why this, why me, why matthew. and all of that struggle. and then you move to a stage that i c

it forced me to do deeper with god than i've ever had to go in my entire life. >> that was from rick warren'saturday sermon how to get through what you're going through. talking to rick and his wife, kay exclusively. this is heartbreaking to listen to, for anybody, never mind a parent, anybody to go through this. you're there at his house, matthew's house. you now know that he has done what you always hoped he'd never do. did you go in? did you go and try and see him? >> i didn't want to see what the possibility was, so i opened the door, i let the police in and i let them go into the room and i immediately came right back out. i didn't want to -- >> no. we didn't -- neither of us wanted to -- >> see the scene. >> the pictures in our mind were terrible enough. >> bad enough. >> we were fortunate. some people find their loved ones. we were fortunate we did not have to witness that. but they let us know that it was catastrophic enough that the police officer was like, you >> you don't want- >> you don't want to have an open casket. so i assumed i would never see him again, so then i said, i am

it forced me to do deeper with god than i've ever had to go in my entire life. >> that was from rick warren'sget through what you're going through. talking to rick and his wife, kay exclusively. this is heartbreaking to listen to, for anybody, never mind a parent, anybody to go through this. you're there at his house, matthew's house. you now know that he has done what you always hoped he'd never do. did you go in? did you go and try and see him? >> i didn't want to see what the possibility was, so i opened the door, i let the police in and i let them go into the room and i immediately came right back out. i didn't want to -- >> no. we didn't -- neither of us wanted to -- >> see the scene. >> the pictures in our mind were terrible enough. >> bad enough. >> we were fortunate. some people find their loved ones. we were fortunate we did not have to witness that. but they let us know that it was catastrophic enough that the police officer was like, you know, you- >> you don't want- >> you don't want to have an open casket. so i assumed i would never see him again, so then i said, i am definitely

>>> with me is pastor rick warren and his wife kay. sk you this, rick, have you questioned any stage whether you should have done more as rick warren, america's pastor, about this issue of mental health before matthew took his life? >> piers, we've always known since matthew has lived his entire life with mental illness that one day we would be spokespeople for mental illness. kay and i have known this for years and years. the reason we were quiet was primarily to protect matthew edignity. it was his story to tell. and so we were always praying either a, he'll be healed miraculously or b, we'll get treatment therapy, medicine that helps him manage his disease for the rest of his life and he can tell his story. the only reason that held us back on being public figures on this like we have been on hiv aids and things like that was his own dignity. after he died that issue was gone. >> we didn't want him to endure the scrutiny that's being thrown at rick. he was already struggling to be in the public spotlight, to have people scrutinizing

you're watching rick warren and kay warren interview, moving interview about the tragic suicide of theirld son matthew. and you were telling me before we'd started the interview about the effect that rick warren had had on your life with his book. tell me about that. >> right. incredible. his book came into my life in a time period where it was absolutely a god thing that his words in that book appeared in my life. it was a pretty tough time period and i began to study purpose driven life. and quite frankly, i'm living it today. that's really my -- that's my goal in life and what i do with my music and my life is to -- i'm searching for purpose. and every single day i feel like it's part of the reason that i think god has, you know, allowed me to live this life as i have a purpose to fulfill and i pray god will give me the wisdom and vision to fulfill that purpose. rick warren's book, it came at a time when i needed it most. and him and his wife, that interview moved me deeply. i wanted to take this moment to express my sadness for them and at their loss of their son but at the same time

now get a 2013 nissan leaf for $199 a month. ♪ >>> with me is pass pastor rick warren and his wife kay, have you questioned any stage whether you should have done more as rick warren, america's pastor, about this issue of mental health before matthew took his life? >> piers, we've always known since matthew has lived his entire life with mental illness that one day we would be spokespeople for mental illness. kay and i have known this for years and years. the reason we are quiet was primarily to protect matthew's dignity. it was his story to tell. and so we were always praying either a, he'll be healed miraculously or b, we'll get treatment therapy, medicine that helps him manage his disease for the rest of his life and he can tell his story. the only reason that held us back on being public figures on this like we have been on hiv aids and all that was his own dignity. after he died that issue was gone. >> we didn't want him to endure the scrutiny that's being thrown at rick. he was already struggling to be in the public spotlight, to have people scrutinizing his life -- >> he didn't

the full interview with pastor rick warren. >>> i'll be back 5:00 p.m.e much more on the continuing investigation into the navy yard shooting. the mayor of washington, d.c., the mayor vincent gray, will be among my guests. also, i'll speak with a top u.s. navy commander, a spokesman, on what the lessons are that need to be learned. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. "the lead" with jake tapper begins right now. >>> what were the voices in aaron alexis' head telling him before he murdered 12 people in cold blood? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead. hearing voices, sleepless nights, a history of gun arrests, pieces of the navy yard killer's back story are snapping into place, but does any of it account for his actions? the dead. we now know the names of all 12 of them and as we search for answers, we will not forget them or the three who were wounded, including a d.c. police officer who will have to fight to walk

. >>> also, you heard rick warren tell me this last night. >> there's no way a gun should ever get in the hands of a mentally ill person. >> tonight i'll talk to a woman whose life changed forever because of a disturbed young man with a gun. she tells me what she went through -- what went through her mind when she heard about the navy yard shootings and how we can try and ensure it doesn't happen to other families. >>> plus, escape from polygamy. a beautiful teenager forced to marry the 85-year-old head of a religious sect. how she broke free and her fears of the others she left behind. >> i knew there were other young girls who were still and are still being violated. he is still running that place from prison through phone calls. >> it's quite extraordinary interview. that's coming up on the show. we'll begin with our big story, the investigation of the navy yard shootings. here's what we now know, aaron alexis made mysterious etchings into the shotgun used in the attack. they read, better off this way and my elf weapon. capital police were told by watch command to stand down even t

. >>> also, pastor rick warren opens up. >> nancy was not afraid to die. he was afraid of pain. >> in his first interview since his son's tragic suicide, the author of "the purpose driven life" sits down with cnn. >> i'll do anything to help you live. i cannot help you take your life. >>> plus, dramatic new details emerging this morning on the navy yard shooter. >> we've got a report on the fourth floor. a man with a shotgun. >> aaron alexis. the gun trail and the voices he said he heard in his head. >> it almost seems this was the type of thing that was bound to happen. >> our pamela brown and the stunning new developments. >>> and siri mans up. >> let me think. okay. here you go. >> and gets an overhaul. you're live in the "cnn you're live in the "cnn newsroom". -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good morning. i'm carol costello. we do begin with breaking news this morning from the housing market. higher mortgage rates appear to be taking their toll. new data out just minutes ago show builders began work last month on far fewer homes than projecte

now pastor rick warren is speaking up with brutal honesty. he spoke with piers morgan.hat you've done. just briefly remind our viewers what happened to pastor barren's son. >> well matthew was in his late 20s. he suffered a leave time of depression and mental illness. he received all sorts of treatment, but nothing worked. and there was a slow but steady escalation in his despair and deresponsible densy and his attempt to take his life. he took overdoses and was unsuccessful. and theres with a really poignant moment in the middle of what was a heart breaking interview. and i talked to kay warren, rick's wife, the moment that her son told her a month before he died, that he'd bought a gun over the internet illegally. he said to her, if you tell anybody i've got this gun, if you tell the police and they show up, i will shoot myself immediately. so she was trapped in the ultimate mother's nightmare of not being able to tell anybody, not being able to tell the police said he would kill himself, but aware that he would almost certainly try to kill himself anyway. and sure en

. >>> tomorrow night an interview with pastor rick warren, the very first after the sued of his son.it is not supposed to end like this, because we had close calls. matthew had made an attempt on his life before in other ways, and we just kept, you know, when matthew was born, even as a young child, he struggled with mental illness so we knew this day might happen someday, but it's a day no parent wants. it's your worst nightmare and i'll never forget, i'll never forget the agony of that moment. >> rick warren and his wife kay, quite emotional and extraordinary interview is tomorrow night. that is all for us tonight. >>> i heard three shots. pow, pow, pow. 30 seconds later, i heard four more shots. >> everybody going down the stairs and people were pushing and shoving and people were falling down. came outside. people were climbing the wall trying to get out over the wall to get out of the spaces. it was just crazy. >> 1 people dead after a mass shooting at the washington navy yard. we are breaking down exactly what happened, who the gunman was, and new information this morning about

with pastor rick warren, the first since the suicide of his son. >> it's not supposed to end like this. because we had had close with calls. matthew had made attempts on his life before in other ways. and we just kept -- you know, when matthew was born even as a young child he struggled with mental illness. so we knew this date might happen one day. but it's a day no parent wants. it's your worst nightmare. i'll never forget the agony of that moment. >> rick warren and his wife kay are emotional, extraordinary and inspiring interview is tomorrow night. that's all for us tonight. stay with cnn on the washington stay with cnn on the washington navy yard shootings. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>>> it's 10:00 in washington. i'm at southeast washington down tp the street from the navy whe whewhere a gunman we are learning more about the shooter, airplane alexis, who he was and how he committed this massacre. we understand this latest information and we will bring that news conference to you when it happens. we are waiting for those who are going to speak. we are do have new inform

. >>> tomorrow night an interview with pastor rick warren, the first since the suicide of his son. >> to end like this. because we had had close with calls. matthew had made attempts on his life before in other ways. and we just kept -- you know, when matthew was born even as a young child he struggled with mental illness. so we knew this date might happen one day. but it's a day no parent wants. it's your worst nightmare. i'll never forget the agony of that moment. >> rick warren and his wife kay are emotional, extraordinary and inspiring interview is tomorrow night. that's all for us tonight. stay with cnn on the washington navy yard shootings. i'm at southeast washington down the street from the navy yard where a gunman we are learning more about the shooter, airplane alexis, who he was and how he committed this massacre. we understand this latest information and we will bring that news conference to you when it happens. we are waiting for those who are going to speak. we are do have new information. we are learning from an fbi source that alexis bought the ar-15 assault rifle he u

it's been five months since the death of the son of mega pastor rick warren. ith piers morgan in an interview that will air tonight. for the first time they talk about it. >> rick was very ill. i made him get out of bed and drive over to rick's house. typically, he would have said go away or come to the door, invite me in. he did nothing. that was not his pattern. i had a pretty good sense that perhaps something catastrophic had happened. >> what time was this? >> that was late on thursday, april 4th. and so i was pretty sure that something had happened. but he had also told us that if we called the police that he would take his life instantly. so a call to the police was an instant suicide. i was living with that horrible, horrible choice of do i call the police and perhaps intervene or do i take that risk if i call, then he instantly kills himself? so we just had to wait for a few hours. and so it was into the next day that i felt that he was not responding. >> we didn't hear anything back from him. >> he didn't go to work. >> he didn't go to work. >> his wor

. >>> tomorrow night an interview with pastor rick warren, the first since the suicide of his son. >>is. because we had had close with calls. matthew had made attempts on his life before in other ways. and we just kept -- you know, when matthew was born even as a young child he struggled with mental illness. so we knew this date might happen one day. but it's a day no parent wants. it's your worst nightmare. i'll never forget the agony of that moment. >> rick warren and his wife kay are emotional, extraordinary and inspiring interview is tomorrow night. that's all for us tonight. stay with cnn on the washington stay with cnn on the washington navy yard shootings. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>>> it's 10:00

. >> rick warren and his wife, kay, speaking out for the first time since their family tragedy. >> we

. >>> tonight, pastor rick warren, his prayer in the wake of the mass shooting. >> i got on my kneesand my heart went out to them. >> it's an issue that touches them deeply. their son shot himself to death, losing a battle with mental illness. >> there's no way that a gun should get in the hands of a mentally ill person. >> tonight he talks about how he returned to his church. >> i was overwhelmed by the love of our people. >> how he and his wife handled the haters that

. >>> rick warren and kay warren. >>> a baby is born into royalty. >> a good pair of lungs. >> and into a legacy of caring deeply about the animals and people of africa. >> i think it's got a very special connection. >> in a rare exclusive, prince william's first interview since the birth of his son, sharing with me, max foster, his thoughts on fatherhood. >> just a very different emotional experience. >> personal memories of africa. >> it felt appropriate getting engaged in africa. >> an africa he hopes will be preserved by a group of selfless, brave, committed individuals. they soar above the earth. they track the animals down below. and sometimes they weep. >> sorry. >> they're fighting for the prince's passion. a new father's battle to save africa's most vulnerable. >> her looks, thankfully. >> it wasn't long ago that the world's most famous new father was just a baby himself. caught in the glare of the world's spotlight. and as william grew into a boy, the spotlight became more relentless, even as he lived through the death of his mother. small wonder then that as a young man he fo

. >> rick warren and kay warren. >>> can you load chickens? >> what do you need to know? >> i'm an o fish na do of erotica. >> i know hangover food well. and this is good. >> you'll find it ten years later naked in a bush with a necklace of cans around our necks. >> i certainly cherish those golden moments. >> i wish i could hear you over the sound of my exploding capillaries. >> i'm feeling every hour, every month and year of my age. >> maybe we should figure out how to cook dinner unless you don't want to eat anything. because we're really not going to eat any dinner tonight. >> i can't say i'm evolving or maturingover doing anything differently. you know, what was question? ♪ ♪ >>> i would have liked to have spent some time on the beach because the beaches here are beautiful. i would have liked to have eaten more wildly. i would have liked to have a pony. possibly a unicorn even. >> i describe parts unknown as a series of essays, stand alone essays that generally try to focus on the subject of food and where it comes from, but not always. food is the entry way. i'm a g

. >>> tonight, pastor rick warren, his prayer in the wake of the latest's mass shooting. >> i got ono are wounded and my heart went out to them. >> it's an issue that touches them deeply. their son shot himself to death, losing a lifelong battle with mental illness. >> there's no way that a gun should get in the hands of a mentally ill person. >> tonight he talks about how he returned to his church. >> i was overwhelmed by the love of our people. >> how he and his wife handled the haters who attacked them.

. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> pastor rick warren. got down on my knees and prayed for the families of the victims, those who died and those who were wounded. >> it's an issue that touches his deeply. his youngest son, 27-year-old matthew shot himself to death. losing a battle with mental illness. tonight he tells me how the loss of his son tested his faith and how he put his family back together and returned to his church. >> i was overwhelmed by the love of our people. >> how hend

rick warren was incredibly moved by the power of his prayer and his faith and what happened in his lifes that been equally helpful to you guys? >> it has been hugely helpful. our faith is god for us. our faith and spirit schul spirituality-to-besides the trials we have been through to find peace and hope, which is so important to be able to feel that has been very uplifting to us. >> tell me quickly about the foundation. you two set this up, right? >> the foundation of survivors by abuse was says up by desiree and i. it's important that people have the time line to heal when they're ready. with the laws and statute of limitations how they are sometimes that is not the case. so for us, we're trying to raise apairness about the issue of sexual abuse. hopefully, our plan is to make it to washington and lobby on behalf of victims everywhere who come up against the statute of limitations. >> good for you. the five browns will be downloading their new album d. rite of spring, starting october 1st. the cd is available. for more information on the foundation, check out surviving abuse. best of

tweets from public christians like then pope 16th and pastor rick warren were analyzed alongside thehristians used more positive emotion words than atheists, like love, happy and great. rather than negative words like bad, wrong or awful. and that religious people may have a more intuitive rather than analytical style of thinking. >> i think the study results confirm what i've seen in my experience with religious people and interacting with nonreligious people that those who believe in god and those who know christ as their savior have a meaning, a purpose, a fulfillment, a joy that those outside of the faith simply don't have. >> the twitter study confirms research at other institutions like the pew forum, harvard and yale universities, showing that religious people in general tend to form tight-knit supportive communities that contribute to healthier as well as happier lives. atheists counter the twitter study is flawed because not everyone measures happiness the same way. >> reality and skepticism and criticism are very positive things. and we tweet about it and we like it. and th

. >>> monday night i'll sit down with a man many people call america's pastor, rick warren the firstince the tragic suicide of his son matthew. now he makes it his job to end the social stigma against mental illness. >>> now a cnn hero. >> there's magic in gardening that you can drop a seed into the earth and from that there's amazing fruit that is delicious and so good for your body. that's a miracle to me. here in charlotte, 73,000 people live in low income neighborhoods who don't have access to this fresh fruit. we call this time miracle mile. very desolate in the way of healthy food options. there are barely any supermarkets. once they get there, by bus or a neighbor's car or on foot, they are paying a very high price for the food. i'm robin emmons and i believe everyone should have access to fresh food. so i grow it and bring it to communities in need. >> we have about 200 volunteers that come out and help us harvesting the food. these are heirloom tomatoes over here. >> we're bringing the food to the community and cutting the cost in half compared to what they would pay at a gr

i interviewed rick warren last week and was incredibly moved by the power of his prayer and his faithin his life. has that been equally help follow to you guys? >> our faith has been so important to us. i feel like our faith and spirituality bonds us more than the music. especially through the trials we've been through to know there's a place to find peace and hope. which is when you go through the difficult times to be able to feel that has been very uplifting. >> tell me quickly about the foundation. you two set this up? >> the foundation for survivors of abuse was set up by desiree and i. it's important to us that people have the timeline to be able to heal when they're ready. and with the laws and statutes of limitations how they are, sometimes that is not the case. and so for us, we're trying to raise awareness about the issue of sexual abuse, and hopefully our plan is to make it to washington and to start lobbying on behalf of victims everywhere who come up against the statute of limitations. >> good for you. the five browns will be performing at carnegie hall october 18th. you

. >> rick warren and his wife kay, quite emotional and extraordinary interview is tomorrow night. that is all for us tonight. >>> i heard three shots. pow, pow, pow. 30 seconds later, i heard four more shots. >> everybody going down the stairs and people were pushing and shoving and people were falling down. came outside. people were climbing the wall trying to get out over the wall to get out of the spaces. it was just crazy. >> 1 people dead after a mass shooting at the washington navy yard. we are breaking down exactly what happened, who the gunman was, and new information this morning about the victims. good morning. welcome to the special edition of "seller start." i'm zoraida sambolin in new york. >> and i'm john berman live at the washington navy yard. it is tuesday, september 17th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. >>> this morning, here the streets behind me are empty but you can say they are absolutely filled with questions. why did this man walk into that building just a few blocks behind me and open fire? was it anger? was it frustration? we are just not sure this morning.

. >>> monday night i'll sit down with a man many people call america's pastor, rick warren the firsterview since the tragic suicide of his son matthew. now he makes it his job to end the social stigma against mental illness. >>> now a cnn hero. >> there's magic in gardening that you can drop a seed into the earth and from that there's amazing fruit that is delicious and so good for your body. that's a miracle to me. here in charlotte, 73,000 people live in low income neighborhoods who don't have access to this fresh fruit. we call this time miracle mile. very desolate in the way of healthy food options. there are barely any supermarkets. once they get there, by bus or a neighbor's car or on foot, they are paying a very high price for the food. i'm robin emmons and i believe everyone should have access to fresh food. so i grow it and bring it to communities in need. >> we have about 200 volunteers that come out and help us harvesting the food. these are heirloom tomatoes over here. >> we're bringing the food to the community and cutting the cost in half compared to what they would pay