rick warren. e.u. >>>> god often uses pain to get our attention.wis said "god whispers to , us in our pleasure, but he shouts to us in our pain." he is going, "hello. do you think i just need you to live for yourself? that the whole purpose of life is for you to just live for you? no. you are made for so much more." god often uses pain to get our attention and to prepare us for breakthrough. so if you are in pain right now, congratulations. host: do you believe that? guest: first of all, rick warren, i don't think is a prosperity preacher. he is largely southern baptist. in his church in california. host: he is in california, not in arizona? ok. guest: i think what he is getting to is the theology that most americans want to share which is that somehow pain is always progress. i don't believe that anymore. i really thought that life was a series of ladders and if i just kept trying and claiming, that it was going to lead to something -- trying and climbing, that it was going to lead to something. host: and you always had a lot of pain . guest:the p