if you look at the math, it doesn't add up. >> 30 seconds, rick wilson.recite the big lie. for donald trump's followers now, the big lie is he won the election when he most clearly did not. for vladimir putin's followers right now at home and here in the u.s., the big lie is this is a special military operation and there are no civilians being slaughtered in the streets of ukrainian cities by russian troops. those big lies are fundamental and corrosive. >> matthew dowd, rick wilson, thank you both. i wish we could have a longer conversation on this but time does in fact run out. thank you guys. that wraps it up for me. i'm jasmine. i'll be back here next saturday and sunday 3:00 p.m. eastern. reverend sharpton and "politics nation" is next after a quick break. "politics nation" is next after a quick break. i'm a mother of four-- always busy. i was starting to feel a little foggy. just didn't feel like things were as sharp as i knew they once were. i heard about prevagen and then i started taking it about two years now. started noticing things a little sha

one of the founders of the lincoln project, rick wilson, just tweeted a fake quote from a glenn greenwald, the fake quote was about war crimes in ukraine. "see? they tied their own hands behind their back and shot themselves in the back of the head. putin's brave, strong, morally upright men were liberally trying to -- were merely trying to liberate them." greenwald joins us now. thank you for coming on. did you say that? >> no, it was a completely fabricated quote as well. the only thing i can say for each of us is we have the best possible enemies. in your case, joe walsh is the former dead-beat father who didn't pay his child support ordered by the court. he used to be a hard-core republican. liberals hated him. then he suddenly became this extremist democrat who makes up quotes in order to accuse people of being russian agents in my case, rick wilson also used to be a republican now gets rich off liberals inside of a group, the lincoln project that got caught hiding a child predator and built liberals out of $65,000 claiming he was making a trump film that never came. we have good fab

>>> we're back with rick wilson, a long time political operative and cofounder of the lincoln projectike toyota for moving around and now donating to election deniers. rick, i want to just start with the obvious -- companies can choose to do what they want in a free market economy and free market society. it's not saying all companies should have some grand set of positions. different companies do things different ways. but the speed with which these companies went from trying to claim a line to moving their own line and hiding it tells you what about where we're at? and then tell us in addition what you're trying to do about it. >> well, the thing that's happening here is washington is a very comfortable town for lobbyist who is go to their corporate sponsors and say, hey, i'm going call mccarthy. he'll take care of this, however, there's going to be a risk if we don't. and there's a perception among the corporate world the republicans will take power in the fall and there will be punitive action against them if they don't pony up now. this is the simple transactional nature of d.c.

the founders of the lincoln project, rick wilson,, just tweeted a fake quote from. glenn greenwald once again, the fake quote was about war crimes in ukraine. quote, see, they tied their own hands behind their backs and shot themselves in the back of the head. putin's brave, strong, morally upright young men were merely trying to liberate them. t ito goes to greenwald said that glenn greenwald, the independent journalist he's an subsect 1%. thanks so much for coming in . did you say that ? no, it was a completelyan fabricated quote as well. and i s guessss the only thing i can say for each of us is that we have the best possible enemies in your case, joe walsh, is this former deadbeatea father who didn't pay his child child support ordered by a court. he used to be a hard coreat republicans. liberals hated himedim. and he suddenly became this , you know, extremist democrat who makes up quotess d in ordero accuse people of being russian agent. and in my case, rick wilson alsose used to be a republican now gets rich off liberals inside of a group,co of lincoln project

joining me now is rick wilson, former republican strategists and co-founder of the lincoln project and democratic strategists juanita toliver and michael beschloss. we got lots more. is this in your view a sign that within the caucus there are those who simply want to throw kevin mccarthy out of the way or something else? >> there is no question, joy. there are a half a dozen as asprants to the thrown and had a closer relationship than trump had. in 2016 putin and trump had hostility and trump never forgets a slight. you know, with the people that the horse race right now in washington for awhile looked like the one mccarthy in d.c. is all about elise stefanik and she's the one behind this and putting the knife into this guy extremely ambitious and she's gone full maga so i think if they are thinking through his immediate future mayor donors he's been unless they keep him he can't block the trump people, kevin should get a food taster at this point. >> elise stefanik is mccarthy. this is cut six for my producers. before she became a trump cult leader she called him soft on putin and re