and rick wilson, a republican strategist and the cofounder of the lincoln project. running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves. rick, let's start with some breaking news as the january six committee gears up for its next hearing on tuesday. we learned just hours ago that a former spokesperson for the white nationalist group the oath keepers, will appear as a witness at this next session, according to a source familiar with the hearings plans. what do you think we might hear from this witness and what do you make of the other news this weekend that former white house advisor steve bannon might also soon appear before the committee? >> thanks for having me on. i will say this. i think that this hearing is going to be one of the wrap up points for the committee. they have shown this arc of a conspiracy, a stead of actions, and now they will show how the -- we're organized and what role they played in the violence of that day. i think it's important to realize that the oath keepers or the proud boys and all the other miscell

. >> let's bring in rick wilson, former republican strategist co-founder of the lincoln project. know, rick, there is little that is more repugnant than sending a young man off to war and then refusing to help him or help her when they come home sick because they went to war. i can't manage anything sicker than, that and i wonder what you think of the high-fiving senators. >> i have to tell you, watching the fist bumping and the high-fiving at the end it was nauseating. these people, they -- you know, my old party loved to say oh, we back the blue. we support our troops. you know, we saw how much they backed the blue on 1/6. we saw how much they support the troops in this heinous vote. this is repulsive at every level. their excuses for it ring completely hollow. they have no reason to do this. they have taken a shot at our troops as effectively as an armed enemy. they want these young men and young women who were exposed to chemicals in the war zones of many many different engagements overseas, they just don't give a damn, and it is -- i find myself angry and disappointed and dis

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him -- not saying this, but just being -- the laughter you hear is from lincoln project cofounder rick wilson. you're not a big lefty. >> not how i roll. >> you know this world. we wanted to get your view. however it plays out, you don't have that desantis programming by accident, do you? >> this is a very considerate decision on murdoch's part. they decided ron desantis is the new boy wonder. as long as trump keeps leading out they're going keep pressing desantis' button. he's got elites flying down to tallahassee to kiss the ring and other parts. he's the man of moment with the billionaire class and republicans and it's driving trump out of his mind. he sits in mar-a-lago on bedminster and throws things at the walls every time he sees desantis. he is the guy rupert has picked, and rupert owns the most powerful normative force in politics outside of trump. i do have a theory, though, ari, that eventually rupert's instinct to watch a car crash, a fight, he'll elevate trump again because trump will get back out in the fight. the reality is donald trump controls 30% of the republican base. the

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let's bring in the cofounder of the lincoln project, rick wilson.xcruciating thing is to listen to jd vance, who actually writes about abuse in ""hillbilly elegy,"" say that even violent marriages are ones that women should stay in. >> you know, nicole, in our organization, it's run by a bunch of women, and they all were -- every one of us was horrified, but everyone had a story of someone they knew or some friend they had who was trapped or had been trapped in some sort of violent or abusive relationship, and hearing jd vance say those things out loud, unself-consciously, it really betrays a giant moral vacuum in this guy who does not understand that just saying, for the good of the institution of marriage, women should be beaten or abused or even killed in these relationships, it's shocking, it's horrifying, but it tells you all about why jd vance, you know, is trailing in ohio against tim ryan, and it shows you he does not care about a very fundamental question, so we're asking republican women and democratic women and independent women in ohio,