when i read that letter, i had the exact same reaction. >> host: so back to nuclear and rickover. so rickover was called to lead the investigation into three mile island, and at the end he warned against a cops and robbers syndrome between government regulators and the nuclear industry, and he also said that government regulators would never be sufficient and could not adequately do the job, and that's how inpo was created. inpo is, basically, a body -- >> guest: yeah. it's self-regulation. >> host: right. >> guest: you have very tight government regulation, then you have the industry where they go out, ask can they critique each other, and they're very tough on each other. >> host: they put a very high bar, right. >> guest: because there's a recognition that if one of them makes a mistake, they're very vulnerable. >> host: i think of how it works, and i imagine it in my mind. it's kind of like the same consent when you're like, you know, at a school playground and playing a game, and one of the boys doesn't really do his job for the team, and you're like, okay, you've got to clea