and for some of them like doria, maybe suarez in ridgefield or ridgefield park, it seems like the feds were overzealous, that like once they got, you know, their into it they weren't going to let go. did you come away with that impression at all after -- because you, obviously, have seen a lot more evidence than i have. but some of them, just a few of them, it looked like they really probably, to me at least, weren't guilty. did you get that impression at all? >> well, dweck could spin a story, and he just, defense attorneys when they first saw some of these videos were just incredulous that he never shut up. even when people tried to walk away, he never shut up. and in the case of l. harvey smith who was acquitted finally, he was saying some very damning things on the videotapes. at one point he tells dweck, stop talking. stop talking. i feel like i ought to pat you down. yet the jury saw the rest of these videotapes and came to the same conclusion, i guess, that you did. there was a lot of talking going on. >> but as you saw from the end of the jersey sting, you actually do see not o