last month, more than a dozen elected officials visited rikers island following reports of worsening r jessica gonzalez-rojas speaking after touring rikers. >> i am admittedly an emotional mess. i have nine pages of mothers to call. partners to call. loved ones to call. because people have been stuck inside for days, weeks, four months, without -- for months without a court hearing. i witnessed and attempted suicide. they try to hang themselves right there. nobody deserves this. amy: well, this week, new york governor kathy hochul and new york city mayor bill de blasio announced they will transfer most of the 230 people, including women to two state prisons about 40 north of the city, including the maximum-security bedford hills prison. again, most of them are awaiting trial. for more, we're joined by three guests. anisa hayes a leader with the old solitary campaign. jullian harris-calvin is director of the greater justice new york program. jumaane williams is new york city's public advocate. last year, he toured rikers, since he has done since 2008. jumanne, let's begin with you. you

the plan we passed be close rikers island, of it. the plan we passed will close rikers island.e's emotional status. and making it much harder for people to be redeemed and move forward. there's a clot of changes we've got to do. that's the bottom line. >> mr. mayor, as mike barnicle put it, you have a short term, 3 1/2 months. are you going to running for lieutenant governor? >> you know, jonathan, i want to stay in public service. after this battle with covid, we've got to change things in the city and state and i feel ready to serve. i'm certainly looking at all options. in the meantime, i've got a job. short term or not, this is one of the biggest moments in the city. fighting my way out of covid or not. that's my focus. >> are you deciding? >> i think anyone who wants to have to decide quickly. look in this city we did pre-k for every child. in this city, before the pandemic, we drove down crime six years in a row. improved communications. these are things we have to do all over the city, all over the state, all over the country. and i want to keep serving the public. no qu

rikers is flawed to begin with. there is a problem on rye ceres islanded. the -- rikers island.you to believe the only solution is to let people out of jail. if a school building was leaking, we wouldn't tell kids there's no more school. we would move them to a new building, new classroom and go on. they want you to believe that the only solution is no more jail for anyone. carley: the governor signed the less is more act. i think we're going to be talking about it a lot more going forward because this will stop criminals from being put back in jail for missing appointments with their parole officer, for violating curfew or testing positive for drugs and alcohol. so is this a law now that she signed that will allow people to just get out of jail and then you have a very difficult time rearresting them? >> yeah, it's a law she signed and they expedited to get people out quicker. these are people who wanted parole, they sought parole and if you know what parole is, people get out a bit early so long as they agree to a series of conditions and promises. when those people don't meet

. >> you were take ton rikers island, one of the most frightening jails in the country. > the nature of her crimes meant -- was easy for the judge not to grant bail. >> you were there 19 months. >> yes. >> did you feel that you were in danger, ever? >> not physically, no. i'm lucky i never met anyone who was >> while at rikers island, anna survived unscathed. again, i've said this before, anna is very charismatic and charming. >> did you have celebrity status in the jail? >> i definitely did, yes. >> and then you strike a netflix deal. >> sorokin's case even capturing hollywood's attention. "grey anatomy's" creator shonda rhimes, behind an upcoming project for netflix. >> she was offered over $300,000 for the deal. >> so you're essentially making money off of this. i mean, was it kind of a joke to you? >> no, not really. i mean, it all kind of happened. even if i were to get like $100 million from netflix, my life in jail would not have changed. >> you were still behind bars. >> absolutely. definitely. >> anna was offered a plea bargain of three to nine years to resolve a

rikers island is so bad that we need reform. okay. here is a thought.lse. you can find a place to put the people that are going to leave this city towards disruption. just because record islands struck dominic's socks, bail, walk the street. >> greg: cat, you live in the neighborhood. a lot of people have been released so for people around the country, it's a prison where it -- count or do they put them? hotels and midtown. those during covid and eight hang out in front. beat the out of people and to your point, they don't care because that they know this is a revolving door. >> believe it or not, they don't want to sit in that hotel room and watch dr. phil. it makes me so upset because when you do talk about the thrive nyc initiative that bill de blasio's wife -- that was our tax money. everyone who lives in new york and we were forced to pay for that and if we didn't pay for that then we would have to go to jail. >> greg: exactly. we would go to rikers. >> and it's not working if they are even trying. >> greg: again, no one knows where the money went.

a bronx man who was imprisoned at the rikers island jail complex died on friday from covid-19, one hour after a judge granted him conditional release. 64-year-old victor mercado is the 13th person to die in a new york city jail this year. in international news, britain is seeing a sharp rise in covid-19 cases, with over 45,000 new infections reported on sunday. that's the highest daily number in the u.k. since mid-july. russia is setting new daily records for cases and deaths, recording over 1,000 fatalities for the first time over the weekend. in australia, the city of melbourne is ending its lockdown this week after meeting its target of reaching a 70% vaccination rate. melbourne has been under lockdown longer than any other city in the world. in neighboring new zealand the , country's largest city, auckland, will extend its strict lockdown for another two weeks. the u.s. has offered to pay compensation to the families of 10 afghan civilians who were killed in the august drone attack in kabul during the final days of the u.s. occupation. seven of the victims were children. the pentago

the mayor, spreadsheets, indictments, poke him on rikers island.u have to understand he has decided he is going to settle all scores on the way out. and that's against trump. so at night while he and his wife are separating the stems and the seeds -- they come up with these brain parts. i have been at the golf course in the bronx. the bronx. the least number of people to vote for trump in the last presidential election. nobody vandalize it, desecrated it, like a phage when you know -- now we are going to pay him $30 million. that is crazy. >> giving trump more money. >> and where is he going to get it? from us. sacking pay taxpayers on his way out the door. i would suggest he needs to change something because he is out of control. >> greg: i have no idea what these references mean. >> never brought this up in bible study. referent, you never talk to me about that. >> i'm completely lost. is this the mayor of portland? is that jay silence all i feel like -- i think the mayor's wife loves art and they have to come up with money for arts. we could sol

here in new york city we spent half a million dollars a year per inmate on rikers island. what we are going to see if we do this right is a dramatic decrease in carceral spending and a dramatic increase in health care costs and a dramatic increase in gdp and well-being for our country. >> congressman, good to see you, as always. thank you for joining us and democratic representative jamaal bowman of new york and joining me now is the pulitzer prize-winning author and co-author of the book "i alone can fix it. donald trump's catastrophic final year." the subpoenas issued by the january 6th house select committee and that is the other major story in washington, the other thing that's going on is the january 6th committee. their work has intensified with not just more subpoenas, but threats about what happened to people who get those subpoenas and ignore them. >> absolutely, ali and what's so interesting about the sort of role tied quality of these subpoenas is first -- the first tranche of people who learned they were going to be questioned and their records were going to be

they moved to shut down rikers island. it's still open. we'll see.ay on this program darrin porcher told me that he doesn't think there's enough time, former nypd official, he doesn't think there's enough time in de blasio's term to actually close down rikers completely. he said there's 6,000 inmates in there. we'll see. but if they do follow through with de blasio's plan, this is only getting worse. joseph: to be clear, you cannot be concerned with customer service when you're dead. at the height of the pandemic we saw nearly 100% of all the murder victims in new york city being black and brown people. we had a 97% increase in shootings in new york city from 2019 to 2020 and it has not actually tapered back down. so here is the reality. all across this country black people were used as cannon fodder for democrats to run around the countryside yelling defund the police, the three most dangerous words ever uttered in modern american politics now we have the body count filled with black and brown bodies as a result. they're trying to put the pin back i

democratic governor cease her plan for criminal justice the reform backfiring as at least nine riker's islandteve: times square murder. the problem is, and they address this in the op-ed page of the new york post, there are 12,000 mentally ill homeless people on the streets of new york city, and this apparently was one of them. >> yeah. a couple points, steve. you know, i know you've been covering dylan harrison all morning, he was the officer who was shot in georgia. it was his first day on the job with that police department. and i'm just thinking of my paris day on the job with the -- first day on the job as a police officer in east new york, brooklyn, how overwhelming it is. you're meeting everyone, you know, get to know people, getting to know the streets, and then you walk outside and then you're dead because some, you know, animal just decides that it's going to be your last day on earth. i mean, i think we should all keep that in mind. thankfully, that's not our jobs now, right? we don't worry about that risk every day, but police officers do. it's just such a sad day. on the topic yo

to point out, applies to every single city employee in new york, except for people who work at rikers islandis such a staff shortage you will have until december 3rd. ainsley: staff shortage you are exempt. steve: what's so curious about this though yesterday it was announced by the federal government that visitors from 50 different countries, if you are from a country and you want to come to the united states, but your vaccine rate is so low like 10% or lower, we are still going to let you come into the country if you have got a compelling reason. so, in other words, all those firemen and all the policemen. ainsley: so much fought so much over the last 18 months. steve: they are going to get fired or placed on unpaid leave. ainsley: another country don't have access to the vaccine come on over. steve: we saw those images of the caravan from central america down in mexico yesterday with griff, none of those people are vaccinated but they are going to be allowed in as well. there is just a double standard. come on in from other countries but the people who are. ainsley: live here pay taxes he