for an episode of "tucker carlson today" we spoke to riley gains about what that was like.she tells us about the moment she learned about leah thomas. we will be right back. we were told, super young, that you have to be tough, you have to be macho in a male perspective. you feel like, you know, you're not able to open up and, you know, be vulnerable with your feelings, you know what i mean. you have this idea of this machismo, right? like that you have to always be the toughest, the strongest. for me as a man, it's about opening up. not feeling too macho to tell someone how you're feeling when you're feeling down. opening up your heart and sharing with other people the way that you're feeling. i have a twin sister who, when i'm sad, i call her and talk to her and we normally have the same feelings. i face time, my grandchildren. that always seems to kind of give me a boost, even when you're having your darkest moments. kicking the stigma means talking about it. it's something that a lot of people go through. it's normal. nothing's wrong with you. and in fact, come join us

riley gaines joining us now along with senator rand paul. riley, have you gotten blowback standing up for women's sport saying transgender males should not be swimming against you? >> honestly, i haven't gotten as much blowback you would think. the media wants you to believe. the support i received is ten fold. of course, the negative comments are you're transphobic or you're ugly or bad at swimming. >> brian: i think you back me up senator paul, none of those things are true. this stand seems to be logical. why is it that this is not pervasive, this belief that women should be able to compete against women? >> i don't know, i'm proud of riley are standing up. i think they are fearful. there are reports of people trying to punish people with school and with jobs. it's sort of like this mafia out there, trying to control language. it's also if you talked to the regular people of kentucky or of america, ask them, should a 6'3t women. most people don't think that's fair. i'm proud of riley for standing up. we ought to stand up also. those who ar

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