ann rimoin, dr. irwin redlener. thank you both for coming on as always. >>> coming up for this, more on these reports of a presidential eruption over his own internal poll numbers and what they might say about re-election. >>> as we reported, the president reportedly lashing out over his re-election prospects amid this pandemic because right now the math looks bad. multiple reports now saying trump erupted at his top political advisers after they presented polling data showing him trailing joe biden in key battleground states. according to the associated press, aides highlighted the growing political cost of the coronavirus and the unforced errors by trump in his freewheeling press briefings. trump reacted with defiance, incredulous that he could be losing to someone he viewed as a weak candidate. and he repeated in a series of profanity-laced conference calls, i am not blanking losing to joe biden. back with us tonight, the co-author of this report for the associated press, jonathan lemire, white house reporter for

it's really about credit and blame right now with him is the division. >> anne rimoin, he stood there at the cdc in that red hat. what he said that day, as we often point out, was not true that day. it's not true tonight. how close are we to it being true, that if you want a test you can get one? >> well, we are far behind still in testing. we do not have -- not only do we not have enough tests for optimal testing, meaning that every person who needs one should be able to get one, but we do not have a national testing strategy. in addition, as has been mentioned before, we're having supply chain issues. we do not have swabs. we don't have the reagents. and every person who needs one cannot get a test. right now as we've noted, people who are symptomatic can often fight to get a test. but because there is not enough capacity in place right now, we can't do it. you know, this issue of testing really requires a national strategy, and we still don't have a national strategy, and it doesn't seem like -- it seems that now he wants to give all of the authority to the states because the natio

rimoin.aitlin go to politicos who was on the line here to talk about what is going on with the federal small business loan program. good morning. >> thank you for having me. first, tell us what the paycheck protection program is and why is it out of money? guest: right. this, basically, small business letting program was crated by the $2 trillion economic rescue program -- package that congress care last month. this pot of loans totaled 350 billion dollars. it was meant to serve as a bailout for small businesses with fewer than 500 employees. it was supposed to serve as this incentive to keep employees on their payroll. so you can apply for this loan. as long as you are promising to keep your employees and you're not going to fire anybody. you will keep paying everybody the amount they were making. in exchange, the loan could be forgiven. proven anf money has arm as they popular. it ran out of money -- proven enormously popular. it ran out of money. that was expected all week. congress is dea

anne rimoin, professor of epidemiology out at ucla's fielding school of public health and infectiousease division of the geffen school of medicine. she also runs the ucla center for global and immigrant health, where she specializes in emerging infectious diseases. kimberly, i'd like to begin with you. i counted, oh, about a half a dozen times the president stepped up because where the conversation was going, he needed credit, credit that he shut down travel from china. not entirely true. that he closed the borders. not true. that he shut down travel from europe. again, not true. the somber tone he showed at the start of the briefing was erased by lines like "cuomo hit pay dirt" and a line i still don't understand about either the coronavirus or the coverage or the equipment, "they just can't get enough of it." talk about the performance you witnessed along with us today. >> yes. i mean that's just the tip of the iceberg in both the inaccuracies and the deflection that the president displayed today. the timeline was wrong in terms of when the coronavirus became known to be in the uni

anne rimoin back with us, professor of ep dpeem yolg at the ucla fielding school of public health, an infectious disease division of the geffen school of medicine. also runs the ucla center for global and immigrant health where she specializes in emerging infectious diseases, started her life's work as a peace corps volunteer in africa. anne, i'd like to begin with you. the subject of masks has been important to you, near and dear to you. do you applaud what the cdc and white house did today despite perhaps the president's personal diminishment of the topic? >> i think it's a great move that now we are using the global data to inform policy. this is really what we have been lacking all along. we know that the virus is able to transmit through speech droplets. we know that we need to be able to do everything we can to slow the spread of the virus because the testing is not sufficient, because we do not have national policy working on our behalf, we do not have all of the tools in place, the only thing we can do is use these brute measures of social distancing and things like using faci

ann rimoin talks about the spread of the virus and the latest data on how well it's being controlled. join the conversation tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> and now, a talk about former african slaves of the cherokee nation who were known as cherokee friedman. we'll hear from the who of the book "untangling a red, white, and black heritage: a personal history of the allotment era." >> the cherokee freedmen are those people who were former slaves of a member of the cherokee nation. and they became freedmen in 1866 when there was a peace treaty that because of the cherokee were part of indian territory mandated that the cherokee absorb their former slaves into the tribe. >> and tell me about the location, where were the cherokee located at the time? >> now, the cherokee were in northeastern -- what would become the state of oklahoma. but if you look at a map of the united states in 1880, you'll see that there was states and then there were a few territories between sort of west of texas to california and the indian territory was like a little island because the government had

cnn house reporter sarah westhood and anne rimoin from the ucl department of epidemiolo epidemiology. let me begin with you. more seriously, the governor did say that while the number of deaths is on the decline, the numbers are still at an alarming 437 coronavirus victims. >> that's right. we got the typical cuomo, yeah, but. yeah, it's good, but we still are not out of the woods yet. that's the message we consistently get from the governor of new york. look, the headline out of this, the big news out of this is that the state is going to start antibody testing. and it's going to prioritize the health care workers on the front lines in the hospitals that really got the crush of the coronavirus patients. elmhurst hospital in queens, where i'm from, that hospital gave national recognition for the amount of patients it was caring for. so elmhurst will get the antibody test. bellevue, the health care workers that are basically the ones that are really trying to, you know, care for these people in volumes that were much larger than other pieces and other hospitals in the state. he also wa

so it's been very tense. >> anne rimoin, do you see any miscalculation in the president's framing of this? americans who are home, none of us are doing so because we actively want to be a part of a shutdown of our lives and jobs where we normally work. everyone's home because they're scared to death of getting this. talk about motivation to get back out there, temptation to get back out there, and the only thing that would be worse, a false start. >> brian, i think you're absolutely right. we cannot be basing our decisions of how we will be able to get to the next step of reopening our country on opinion. it needs to be based on data. it needs to be based on research. it needs to be based on science. everything that we're doing and everything that we've done so far, all the sacrifices that everybody has made to be able to flatten the curve, to slow the spread of the virus, will be for nothing if we open up too quickly. everybody has -- as you've just said, nobody is staying home because they would prefer to be home as opposed to working, as opposed to going out and doing the things t

there is a list of things, to professor rimoin's point, what needs to be done. some of this is from professor gottlieb and others. you need to make sure they can be confident of patients, make sure they're not redlining, that we see a substantial reduction in cases. but states have to be able to test everyone with symptoms. they have to be able to test, they have to be able to trace and they have to be able to treat, as greg murphy says, the former attorney general. we're going to get through this. i think it's important for people to know that, we're going to get through this, but in order to open up these states again, these states have to feel comfortable that they have actual, functional testing. not just the tests themselves but something that translates into a reliable, quick result for a patient. it doesn't matter how many tests we're sending to a lab or how much capability is being defined, it's what matters to the patient ultimately in terms of getting them tested. >> and, dr. rimoin, we're continuing to learn about this especially now that you have in

rimoin, as dr. del rio was speaking i saw the numbers on the right side of the screen update and now we're at more than 8200 deaths. nearly 8300 in the u.s. more than 1,000 new deaths just today. and of course we're seeing the total cases rise exponentially it seems. we again heard a lot about getting back to work. about the need of sports leagues. did you hear a president today who seems to understand the gravity of this public health crisis? >> well, i think that we're still looking for a very strong national strategy. and i'm not hearing it. i would like to hear a national strategy to keep everyone home so that we can as dr. del rio said be able to take this strong medicine, get through the hardest part and make it to the other side. blunt instruments are the only thing that will work at this point. we don't have the therapeutics. we don't have the vaccines. we don't have the wide scale testing. we have none of these things. all we can count on is making sure that this virus doesn't have opportun

anne rimoin, professor of epidemiology at the ucla school of public health.nd, anne, i have to ask you, we had dr. osterholm with us earlier in the hour. scary, yes, but also he's very much a realist. he said that a year from tonight, we'll still be having this conversation. do you agree with that, and talk about whether or not you see that if we launched a manhattan project on testing, would that still sadly be the case? >> you know, it's anybody's guess where we're going to be, and everything is all speculation at this point. i do think that if we had a manhattan project type of situation, you know, we would be doing better. but here's the thing. everybody is working on vaccines now, and i think we do have a lot of work happening. we have a lot of work on vaccines. we have a lot of work on therapeutics. things are moving forward. i think we need to take heed of what's happened in other countries. we need to really focus on getting our act together, moving forward. but we can't forget that it's not just vaccines and therapeutics. it's going to ride on also c

. >> this is your wheel house, professor rimoin, are we very close? >> dr. fauci knows what it is like for people to say we are there and on the ground realizing you don't have what you need. he says maybe this is a week or so. we know on the ground that people still can't get a test. people unless who they have acutely ill or there is a lot of confusion on the ground. where to get test or how to get test or how sensitive these tests are. the big issue is we know swabs and reagents, these chemicals you need to do the tests are in high demand and not always available. the reality on the ground is very different than theoretically, maybe possible or coming down the pipe. >> well, let me try to get into the theoretically and on the ground in the sense of this. the white house often says especially the number is going down, look our social distance guidelines are going and projected american deaths are going down but now it is going up. listen here as he explains to my colleague don lemon last night why they are raising the projections. >> our best estimate is g

but we don't know for sure yet. >> our thanks to ashley parker, robert costa, anne rimoin for joining us. and richard engel before that. >>> and coming up, he volunteered for one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet right now. he's with us tonight to give a firsthand account of life on the front lines against this illness. >>> and later, the president angrily dismisses an internal government report on supply shortages. john heilemann on the political storm surrounding him and this crisis as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way this monday night. itching for a treat. itching for an outing... or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help... licking for help... or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. don't wait. talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. people don't want to so i share it. song by song. the dark and the light. the struggle and the joy with my mental health. what's your mission? use godaddy to help make it happen. yeah. thi

but we don't know for sure yet. >> our thanks to ashley parker, robert costa, anne rimoin for joining us. and richard engel before that. >>> and coming up, he volunteered for one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet right now. he's with us tonight to give a firsthand account of life on the front lines against this illness. >>> and later, the president angrily dismisses an internal government report on supply shortages.rog fontous illn john heilemann on the politicaln storm surrounding him and this crisis as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way this monday night. >>> they are the front line of this war zone, the medical professionals working tirelessly to keep this nation alive. a chicago anesthesiologist, dr. cory deburghgraeve, described it as being basically right next to the nuclear reactor. he's 33, working 14 hours a day, 6 nights a week. he put it this way to "the washington post." i could be the last person some of these patients ever see or the last voice they hear. a lot of people will never come off the ventilator. i force myself to think about that for a few second

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for more on this, i'm joined by anne rimoin, professor of epidemiology at the ucla school of public health look for people working to the hope that once you were in it, would then be immune. a lot of disappointment i get around this report out today. well, the thing is that antibody document having antibody does not necessarily mean that you have immunity, and i think there has been a lot of confusion about this. having antibody just suggest that you may have been exposed to this virus, but it does not mean that you are protected against future infection, and i think thatis future infection, and i think that is really the crux of what who, what they are trying to get out there. it is important, we do need to understand how this virus is spread and who has had it, but that is not the a nswer to has had it, but that is not the answer to view is immune. essentially, you could be immune, people could be immune, but we just need to do more test and discover more about how this virus works. yes, a lot of work needs to be done. we need to understand not only who has been infected, but does infect

rimoin, it's a great reminder, a good place to start and stop.to see you and to get to talk about all the great stories in your paper today. donnau, my friend. thank you for starting us off. >>> when we come back, donald trump's pattern of pedaling conspiracies, whether it's fighting the intelligence presented to him or using the justice department to root out perceived political enemies. we'll talk about his personal truther him in those fronts and bleak political prospects for trump inside that eruption at his own campaign manager. >>> plus the sister of a doctor who took her own life after treating patients sick with coronavirus speaks out today. what she wants us to know about the health care workers who are suffering so much. all those stories coming up. p. >>> intelligence agencies today said that they agree with the scientific community that the virus did originate in china but was not man made and was not that? >> i haven't seen the report yet but i will tell you if you speak to the head of intelligence right now, you speak to the head, t

. >> anne rimoin, here we are on a tuesday night, preparing people for the figure that we saw on the briefing, that is 240,000 deaths at the high end range of this estimate, and i ask you again, do we have any idea how many cases in our country right now? >> right now, we have no idea where we sit on this curve because of the failure to get testing out widespread to the vast majority of the country. testing is still difficult for people who are sick to get. they have to still meet criteria. people are also not going to the e.r. if they feel sick. so access is also great to how many tests we're rolling out right now. we've been thinking about how many people are out there, how many people might be sick. we just don't know. even when we get testing up and running, it's only going to tell us what's happening 10 to 14 days before. remember, dr. fauci said this over and over again, the testing tells us where we were two weeks ago. i think there are other important things that we heard in the press briefing. dr. birx said, i'm going to paraphrase right here, basically this number, this 100

anne rimoin, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> and we are ready to answer more of your questionsbill gates joins anderson cooper and dr. sanjay gupta live for a new global cnn town hall tomorrow night, "coronavirus facts and fears." tune in at 8:00 eastern. >>> how about this story out of new york? thousands of people show up to this rabbi's funeral in new york, and the mayor is really being criticized for how he reacted to this community, to these crowds. >>> plus, as we learn that the economy shrank for the first time in six years, disturbing, new numbers show how many americans and their families are losing work in this unprecedented shutdown. we'll be right back. grilled flas of an outdoor grill indoors, and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do even more, like transform into an air fryer. the ninja foodi grill, the grill that sears, sizzles, and air fry crisps. many of life's moments in thare being put on hold. are staying at home, at carvana, we understand that, for some, getting a car just can't wait. to help, we're giving our customers up to 90 days to make their first pa

rimoin is a graduate of johns hopkins school of health, a former peace corps volunteer. ben is on the phone from florida. caller: good evening. my question is kind of, why couldn't we start by building immunities with boost and making them available to everybody, building into like cheese prubblingts where they can be stored forever and off shelf life. we took away b-15 from our society and i think we could build a new system where we could fight this stuff inside before we think about going outside. host: is that possible? guest: i'm not sure i really understand the question. so maybe you can clarify. host: let me can you about the immune system. are there things we could do to prevent this virus spreading from our immune system? guest: i'm not an immunologist, but what we know about this virus, people who have the poorest outcomes those with underlying conditions, those who are immunocompromised. so we can make sure we're taking ka good care of ourselves and making sure our immune systems are as robust as possible. host: in terms of the work you've done in africa and t

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rimoin said and say a positive or negative antibody test should not be the premise by which we returnntibody ten days after symptoms but still have virus in your nostrils up to 21 days after symptom onset. we need to be really careful in deploying this test broadly. >> all right. much of our panel will be back to answer more questions, but first breaking news from the department of labor. another 5 million workers filed for unemployment benefits last week. it is the fourth straight week of multi million claims since the economy abruptly shut down over the virus. the total number of claims filed over the past month is now 22 million. let's bring in former presidential candidate pete buttigieg. he is a u.s. navy veteran who served in afghanistan. also ran for president. also with us, retired four star army general stanley mcchrystal, the former commander of u.s. and international security assistance forces, afghanistan, and the former commander of the nation's premiere military counterterrorism force, the joint special operations command. he is also author of the book entitled "leaders,