davidson's rishi jaluria. sticking with tariffs, some are saying investors are looking to software as opposed to hardware as trade tensions escalate. the idc president says tariffs are having less impact on i.t. spending than originally predicted. we spoke to him on tuesday for more details. >> tech spending has not been that significantly affected as a function of the tariff talk. a lot of that has to do with where we were in the tech cycle. you have to remember that tech is infused in the economy now, infused in our work lives, in the infrastructure and how we entertain ourselves. so what we saw was that there was a huge data center buildout. server spending, storage spending was really high. if you look at infrastructure spending last year, it was over 20%. if we had gone back three years and said it would be over 20% as a buildout function of the cloud, nobody would have taken that seriously. so it really muted overall spending impact associated with tariffs. what we saw last year was about 9% growth overa