my ego might have taken a bruising since i was not key to rittenhouse, -- to run in the house. to not feel guilty about traveling so much. -- do not feel guilty about traveling so much. >> now, clair shipman is an ardent people-pleaser. how did that play into the whole thing? >> just through some horrible, humiliating experiences. >> tell us just one. >> i have such a desire to please that i literally will be sitting at my desk thinking, if there are people laying carpet, where the man mowing the lawn, i think he is thursday, i had better run down to the store and get him a ham sandwich because he is helping me so much. i cannot stop doing that. it happens to me at work, as well. i want to say yes to everything. at one point, i said yes to one too many assignments. you realize it is damaging. >> could you say i am not available to go to the republican convention? >> i did, thank you very much. yes, i did, and it was very hard to do. finally, i realized it was clear to be both children's first day of school. i decided i could not be away for that. my bosses were fine. >> some of