in public spaces, and she wanted it large-scale, in the tradition of renowned mexican mural painters like diego riverastly men. >> first of all, i chose making monumental work, which is basically a male area. i mean, that's... >> brown: "men make things"... >> right. that's the purview of men. women don't make monuments. they could make a model of a monument, right? they could do a dollhouse, but they couldn't build a house, right? or design a house. so in other words, the scale for women was prescribed. >> brown: to overcome barriers, baca co-founded the social and public art resource center, or sparc, a community arts and education hub housed in an old jail in l.a.'s venice neighborhood. here, she works with other artists to plan and design murals and conduct research. why is the collaborative aspect of it so important to you? >> it's ownership. i've seen kids come down to the wall many years later, you know, saying, "hey, i painted those mountains," right? they feel pride in their support of a larger piece that was greater than anyone could do individually. >> brown: at the core of her project, see