i mean, the country that we livo in is segregated, so, like,rk n york city which per capita should have the most integrated schools in the galaxy has the most segregated schools, because there are other factors at play. so i just want to -- i totally don't want to answer the question. what i do want to do is just offer that there are other factors at playy around like tribalism and saying that you can assign a benevolent word to it ora a malicious one that is going to create environments that where people are going to be like, why do the black students need a dorm, and it is because, the white students already have one, and it is called every other dorm. >> okay. over here. >> mr. riley, in the beginning, you spoke about showing great progress for blacks at a whole up to the 1960s, and tauing about the progress in the 1940s and the 1950s and what would you attribute to the turnaround in the direction of the black communities in america? >> well, in the -- what i was really talking about is the economic progress in that wartime economy, and the post world war economy, and so you had a li