. >> let's say seven about what all eye-- say something about rn paul's ideology as well. it is in libertarian movement. one thing that santorum has consistently stood for in his talking points is that government should do certain things about people's private lives. that is not a libertarian movement. to be fair, i think it is offensive to ron paul's ideology. he does not go right and say "i am pro-choice" or anything, but heat said in this debate, "morality is what counts, pills are not orality." >> paul went against newt as not a social conservative. it is not ideological, it is that he wants to be no. 2. >> if you want to be no. 2, you have to take on no. 1 at some point. may i speak? >> i will give it a shot. >> we had an interesting and of a cal -- analytical discussion of what he wants. i have no idea what he wants. i know what he has done . rick perry was the leader, he went after rick perry. newt gingrich was the leader, he went after newt gingrich. at no point has he gone after mitt romney, who is also intermittently the leader. it is illegitimate conclusion here