and if it happened, i would stop everything. >> on that point, rob ackerman, there's been a lot mades phrase tonight -- and i've heard throughout the day about a low budget, non-union film. why that's irrelevant in terms of a teaching lesson in order to -- why the budget so important in this conversation? >> it seems to me -- and dutch can add to this -- he has a lot of experience too. but it seems to me that they were having, this young woman -- multitask -- she was working as a prop assistant, and also as an armorer, which, anytime there's a firearm onset, that is just not okay. you are one and only task -- and every armorer i have exist -- with this is true -- the only task is the -- care and moment to moment -- safety with that prop gun, a firearm. that is all you should be thinking about. any ancillary work, i don't think, is a fair expectation. but i think that was most likely happening because of a low budget. because there was not another line, another line item, to spare. >> dutch merrick, rob ackerman, think he's a. much >> -- for having me. >> and up next, hollywood's hist