they also say they didn't believe rob blagojevich's when he took the stand. >> it's very difficult tow who the real fraud is. part of me says the rod on the tape was the real rod that's the rod that was very selfish. there is another route that was very charming and charismatic so i think he's very complex. they say they were frightened when prosecutors laid into him and they didn't like it when they brought their oldest daughter into court. after discussing the case with others outside of the courtroom, never a problem they claimed. there were too tired to talk at the end of each day. the panel was not impressed or impacted by rahm emanuel presence on the stand and several jurors think jesse jackson had more to share than he did predict what to say the congressman was less than a respectful to the course court. >> occasionally he was rather glib and that put me off. >> in the end all of the jurors were amazed that the human side of this high-profile case kept rising to the surface not enough however to distract them from their job in court. >> it's a lesson that you cannot break the

contributor to ten and a half years in prison that for his part in a kickback scandal involving rob blagojevichshed stocks lower. business is at a solace. today's drop smaller. erin burnt at the top of the hour. >> i was wandering through the debate. everyone taking their seats. we're going to be doing counting down to the debate. talking about big foreign policies but also defense cuts and two schools of thoughts, right? one is this is no problem. h.w. bush, reagan, they cut defense and another school of thought that comes to a very different conclusion. we also have john huntsman's daughters all three going to join us on the show. >> getting more attention than their dad which i guess is not so good if your dad's on the ballot. >> that's right. we're going to give them a chance to talk about who their dad really is. and also general wesley clark going to talk about iran and other threats that will get a lot of talk in that room back there. >> a lot of talk. the economic questions are also national security questions. iran, china challenge. interesting night. >> china has all of it in one big