he's on my side. >> former republican from ohio. >>> ohio senator rob portman does a good chicken impression> where is the egg? senator portman of ohio, if you know nothing else, you will always know he makes bird noises very very well. as does republican presidential candidate george pataki. >> at the risk of appears to be a complete nerd, which sadly sometimes i am, you know what you do to attract a bird is you make sounds, because they're curious. so like -- let me just try this now. birds will hear that, and they'll actually come to see what's making the sound. i attracted a 707, i think. >> former new york governor george pataki calls birds with his mouth, fairly well, i think, though i'm no expert, but apparently he does birdwatch and can make that noise. george pataki can do that. what he cannot do is make it onto the major stage for the republican dedates. he's been the tallest kid at the kids table for the last two debates. tonight we learned he will be stuck at that kids' table again for the third debate as well. we just got the announcement after the last qualifying poll came out.

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because if you look at the comment that came from senator rob portman today, his point is that it's not a great deal and looks like it doesn't deal with some of the fundamental issues we're talking about when we're talking about continued deficit spending and a continued high national debt. i think the only way you get around that, there are going to be some people who do want a debt ceiling raised without having ra big fight about it, and i think there are some potentially significant reforms to social security, medicare, and i would say from my perspective, most importantly, the crop insurance program. so i think if you have fiscal conservatives go away and look at those things and decide they are meritorious, that may be the thing that drags it over the line. but fundamentally, there are a lot of fiscal conservatives who think, this does spend $80 billion more. this isn't really fiscally conservative. it's not really what we were sent here to do. >> you know, michelle, it's the same old thing to me, in a new twist. to get republicans to back more spending, throw in a lot of defense s

you would think senator rob portman has legislation prohibiting government shutdowns. you would think for republican leadership that has made one promise carved in stone, we will never, ever, ever allow a shutdown, if there were anything on earth to attach to this deal, it would be that. senator portman's legislation says in the event a continuing resolution isn't passed, in the event appropriations expire, funding will continue but it will gradually ratchet down slowly over time. we pass that bill, there will never ever, ever be a government shutdown. now, gosh, if i listened to the rhetoric of leadership, i would think they would want to pass that bill. why is it in this? the answer is simple. because if it was in this, members of this body would actually expect us to stand up and fight for something. instead leadership wants to be able to tell the freshmen, the new members of of the senate a shutdown is terrible. it's the worst thing in the world. so we can't fight for anything. so you must acquiesce in anything obama wants. if we actually passed legislation prohibi

that came about from rob portman and cardin when different sides of the aisle but this is when theirn house and work together to build that bill at it again part of the tax proposal. i think it does. i think what happened is with the automatic diary we had the affordable care act and acrid scent issues but i do think fundamental having people save more for their future, i do think it is a bipartisan issue, i think it can be. i think it once was and if it can be again. >> i've been of are being at the sabres summit that they had that was part of this bill to encourage people to save for retirement. part of the discussion was all about the growth we had created your most of the growth we had created, this was in 2006, with because we expanded that and we were borrowing money. i think we saw what happens when we expand growth on borrowed money. as opposed to when we create growth based on savings and investment come investing in things like our infrastructure come investing in our employees and our students to get a better education. we end up with about economy in the end, that's the k

you would think senator rob portman has legislation prohibiting government shutdowns. would you think for republican leadership that has made one promise carved in stone, we will never, ever, allow a shutdown, if there were anything on earth to attach to this deal it would be that. senator portman legislation says in the event continuing resolution isn't passed, in event appropriations wilt expire funding continues but slow down over time. we will pass that bill, there will never ever, every again be a government shutdown. if i listen to rhetoric of leadership they would want to pass the bill. why isn't in this? the answer is simple, because if it was in this, members of body would actually expect us to stand up and fight for something. instead leadership wants to be able to tell freshmen, new members of the senate, a shutdown is terrible. worst thing in the world. so we can't fight for anything. so you must acquiesce everything obama wants. if we actually passed legislation prohibiting shutdowns, that scaremongering would be taken off the table. now democrats don't wa