we've heard that with roy moore, these are old allegations, with rob porter, his staff secretary, oh, these are old allegations. i mean, donald trump's reflex is always to feel defensive and protective to the accused man. >> and he will probably point to the fact that epstein pleaded not guilty to this as a denial. we have seen the president defend those who deny it. today it's hard to get an answer out of the white house since there are no longer white house briefings and the white house has deferred questions about this today. i think this is something they will have to address because this is his labor secretary, and jeremy is exactly right, the labor secretary is the person in charge of investigating the same and protecting against the same sorts of crimes we are seeing now. we are talking about this is not a victimless crime. this is a horrible crime of trafficking of children, and the fact that this is connected to this white house, i think in any other administration the secretary acosta would no longer have a job already but they will have the very difficult task of defending