we had to speak to people like reverend rob shank who were there at the time and who were organizing things. but certainly from a director's point of view, it was astonishing to hear these things come out of normal's -- norma's month. she continued to say these through the ten months we were filming together. the first time she said it, i was honestly flabbergasted. >> reverend rob, let's listen to a clip that you're featured in talking about norma's claims. >> i had never heard her say anything like this, never. but i know what we were doing, and there were times i was sure she knew. and i wondered is she playing us? what i didn't have the guts to say was because i know damn well we're playing her. what we did with norma was highly unethical. the jig is up. >> you've confirmed mccorvey's account saying the group operation rescue paid her. what was behind those payments? >> well, again, you know, i never thought that i was signing a check for an actor. she uses those words later on. what i did know is that norma harbored secret thoughts, some that she would leak to me from time to ti