christian: rob watson was watching that.ll, straying away from the conservative party some time ago, but clearly with a big business leader like that saying that a tory is a dud, although chris led him into that a bit, it doesn't help, does it? rob: it certainly doesn't. on the one hand, does one very rich person among 45 million voters make a difference? probably not. but on the other hand, if you think about what the message of the labour party is, what he's been constantly trying to say, which is that we are not a classic centerleft party won't be immediate reaching for taxation and spending, we are about labor and growth, it doesn't do you harm against someone fabulously wealthy coming on your side. i guess the other thing, of course, looking back for the governing conservatives is that when you have had a whole string of bad news mishaps, to have yet another person deserting you even if it's just one person doing so publicly, when our colleague -- with our colleague chris, it's not good for the vibes, is it? christian:

let's get a reaction to that, rob watson was watching.straightaway from the conservative party a long time ago, but when you have a big business leader like that saying the tory leader like that saying the tory leader is a dud, although chris mason led him into that little bit, that doesn't help, does it? it that doesn't help, does it? it certainly doesn't. i think you could say the on the one hand, does one very rich person, one voter out of 41 million eligible voters make a difference? probably not. on the other hand, if you think about what the labour party's message is, what's your keir starmer has been constantly trying to say, which is, "we are not a classic centreleft party, we won't be immediately reaching for the levers of taxation and taxation, we are all about wealth creation and growth, so it doesn't get you any harm to get you someone who's fab fabulously wealthy on your side." the other thing that looks bad for the governing conservatives is when you've had a whole string of bad news mishaps, to have you another person deser

. >> to discuss that in more detail, we can speak to our political correspondent rob watson.s a debate going on between the parties. we will talk about that in a second. let's focus on this apology from rishi sunak. it is not everyday that you hear a politician saying sorry for something. but this was seen as a real gaffe. >> it was. and i'm keeping an eye on the debate out of the corner of my right eye. it is an utterly inextricable goal, even within the ranks of the governing conservative party. people are struggling to think why it is most important of days for the extraordinary moments of one of them. and an opportunity to be photographed, what was the harm in that with other world leaders that he went home -- you are right, it is hard to remember a politician apologizing in this way, or what appears to be a totally unforced, unfathomable error. >> and he's now conceded it was the wrong thing to do. but what damage do you think it has done to his campaign given he's already way behind in the opinion polls? >> that is a very good question. on one hand and on the other answ