that was the first time, after 18 years on robben island, when there were transfers. in one cell. 0n robben island, in the 18 years we spent there, we were in single cells. the only time we met and talked was at work when we did the pick and shovel work in the quarry. that was when we could work together and talk. once we were locked up, we were not allowed to talk. so because there were only five political prisoners there, things were more relaxed. so to be sharing a cell, that was... we were sharing a cell until we were transferred in 1982. for three years we were together in one cell, and then mr mandela was separated from us. he was kept at the prison, but away from us. that is when he started talking to the other side. when you did eventually get out, he persuaded you to go into government. he offered you a seat, you turned down a cabinet seat. he offered you an anc position as adviser and you didn't like it. i wonder why? you had struggled your whole life to change africa and now you had an opportunity to do so. what did you dislike about it? not all of us were

he was arrested with other anc leaders and went on to spend 26 years in prison -- 18 of them on robben island. he later served as president mandela's parliamentary adviser. this is ahmed kathrada, speaking in visby, sweden, in 2014. historically a struggle for a nonracial, nonsexist, democratic south africa. that is what sent many people to prison. and that is for many, many of our colleagues, lost their lives and were not alive to see the birth of democracy in our country. amy: that was ahmed kathrada, speaking in 2014. he died in johannesburg on at the age of 87. tuesday and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. the trump administration has unveiled its latest attempt to target sanctuary cities that are refusing to help federal agents detain and deport undocumented immigrants. on monday, attorney general jeff sessions said the justice department would withhold billions of dollars in grants to la