well, by the team here, i mean, let me just, actually, miss kaplan, robbie, let me put this to you. as soon as the verdict happened, robbie, you said there is a way to stand up to someone like donald trump. and it felt like you are not necessarily advising your fellow lawyers or potential defendant. you are kind of advising the country. did you mean in that as advice -- do you mean that as advice for, you know, republicans who don't want to go along with him but to have been so far every to say no or stand up to him? >> i think in the moment, rachel, i meant it in the context of the court system and litigation. but in my guts, in my heart, i meant what you said, how you just described it, or how e. jean just described it. it is time, and we have proved in this case, it is time to stand up to the world's -- the u.s.'s current biggest bully. and the way to do that is by using the facts, and the law, and our legal system to say that we're not afraid. and we saw a jury of nine new yorkers stand up as much as we did and say, not only did you do this, but you need to pay her $83. 3 millio

robbie kaplan's response raises the specter of rule 11 sanctions. somebody puts forth allegations to the court that they either do not know to be true or are reckless in presenting to the court because they don't go through the due diligence to substantiate them before they put them na court filing. you can be sanctioned as a lawyer for that. the words rule 11 are rules that any lawyer practicing in the federal court never wants to hear come out of an adversary's mouth. >> lisa rubin, thank you so much. >>> a georgia judge is hearing closing arguments in a case that could have major applications for the november election. nbc's jane timm is outside the courthouse. tell us about it, jane. >> reporter: georgia's controversial dominion voting machines face their biggest test yet in the courtroom behind me where good government groups and voters are urge ago federal judge to bar the state from using their existing touchscreen voting machines. the plaintiffs argue these machines are so vulnerable to hacking it violates constitutional rights to allow them

were they encouraged to stay anonymous given history as a guide, robbie kaplan talks about the way -- we've been talking on the show the way in which trump seeks to intimidate everyone but especially judges and especially prosecutors. and robby who argued this case with you says she didn't pay that much attention to you, but you got up there in closing arguments and pointing at donald trump. and she makes a note of how brave that was. and i think, you know, especially for those of us who have never prosecute trump or go after him in a civil trial, can you talk a little bit about the psychology of that and your ability to just point a finger at arguably one of the most menacing sort of public figures in american life? >> sure. robbie did the closing, and then his lawyer, trump's lawyer, alina habba did her closing, and i got up to sort of rebut the arguments she made, which is usually a fun thing because you're not scripting, and robbi's approach was i'm going to tell it like it is, ignore the noise when he walks out of the courtroom. alina went and she brought up the temperature and w

and robbie kaplan talks about -- we've been talking on the show, the way in which trump -- everyone, especially judges, and especially prosecutors. and, you know, robbie, who argued this case, says that she didn't really take that much attention to you. but she got up there in closing arguments and you are pointing out donald trump. and she makes a note of how brave that was. and i think, you know, especially for those of us who have never prosecuted trump, or went after him in a civil trial, can you talk a little bit about the psychology of that and your ability to point a finger at arguably one of the most menacing public figures and -- >> robbie did the closing, and i got to get up and rebut the argument that she had made, which usually is a pretty fun thing because it is not -- you are just kind of responding. so, robbie's approach was i'm just going to tell it like it is, i'm going to ignore all of the noise, i am going to not pay attention when this guy gets up and walked out of the courtroom. alina then went and she really brought up the temperature. and was shouting and making

and he started screaming as robbie kaplan describes, screaming at alina habba.gh client there. >> there was this other moment there as i was listening to this whole conversation, and it's obviously not just getting my attention but also everyone else's. i want people to just listen to that. >> we come in the room and i say i'm done asking questions, and immediately i hear from the other side off-the-record, off-the-record, off-the-record. so they must have planned it. and he looks at me from across the table and he says see you next tuesday. you could tell it was like -- it was kind of a joke, again, like tee teenage boys would come up with. >> that was a teenage boy level joke. >> okay, george, this is cable. >> i'm not going to spell it out. >> but what did you think when you were sitting there listening to that? >> i mean it's just appalling. he's a pig. and the fact he was president of the united states makes all the more distressing. it was misogynistic, to call a woman that to her face and trying to be cute about it. i mean, it was just disgraceful and the

robbie kaplan, how do they go about doing it? first of all donald trump is facing about 500 and $50 million when you add up the two judgments and the interest that has to be paid. assuming that he doesn't pay that with in the next couple of weeks either to the court but assuming he doesn't do that than the attorney general james can go to the court and seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court so that would be basically look he owes 450 million as a result of this judgment. he's not paying it. so we're gonna force you, the court, to seize these properties, sell them, and give us the money. and assume similarly the process for jean carroll would work in the same way. it's unlikely that we will get to that stage because one way or another trump will get the money to be put up to avoid that for seizure of his assets. >> that's interesting. because the question is really, then, how will he get the money? how will trump get this money? because of course the ruling says he cannot seek loans from new york lenders. he can of course g

well, robbie kaplan from ohio, it's great to meet you in person. >> ditto, thank you very much. >> andem still being held captive more than 60 weeks later. what she's doing to bring the israeli hostages home. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc ports. this is msnb we need to scale wr demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) now we're even smarter and ready for what's next. (vo) achieve enterprise intelligence. it's your vision, it's your verizon. here's why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. and there's no catch. it's fre. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you aroud join the

when we interviewed robby kaplan, the lawyer who representing e. jean carroll in the defamation case, we interviewed her on our podcast, and she's very clear that donald trump will be putting up a bound that had been organized and e. jean carroll would be getting her money. so all of this is sort of fungible pots of money moved around and a big aspect of the interest in campaigning on the interest in the rnc is to free up certain kinds of money, certain lines of money to run the campaign so his personal funds aren't able to be used for it. a lot of this is basically about managing the various pots of money that are accessible to the trump family. but for sure, the fact that he has that bond will certainly be secured through the value of his properties, values that far exceed the amount of this judgment. it's going to be covered by his holdings. that is something that's going to happen. he's going to be on the hook for this, especially if the appellate division of the new york courts actually affirm this judgment going forward. so i think we wait to

there he has the money and he has i interviewed robbie kaplan this morning, who was who won that at $3.3 for e. jean carroll. >> and she was noting the >> money is where it hurts him. that's really where it hurt when it was a large number versus 5 million in the previous lawsuit that she won. it really hurt him. and in this case, she's not entirely clear if he has the money to pay any of it because when he put the bond up for the last case, he paid cash of his own money. he did not get a bond which is you can also do because what i've seemed to understand is he doesn't bond. he can't get a bond from people who do that >> i want to ask you, kara, about normally that would be enough news on donald trump for the week. it's only one of the stories. we also have that spectacle in georgia. they hearing of fani willis, the fulton county prosecutor, and whether she should be removed from the georgia interference case because of a conflict of interest because of a romantic relationship with her lead prosecutors, nathan wade smoke or fire? >> smokey smoke. smokey smoke. i don't get as anything to

. >> the kicker, though, is that if you do it right, and robbie kaplan, e.it is getting him under oath and managing to get the right question in. not everybody would have thought to say, oh, let's show him the "access hollywood" tape. she did that, but then some of the questions she asked. she asked him, "are you a star?" the whole thing is that he says, "if you're a star, they let you do it." "are you a star?" that activated his narcissism. he either has to eat his ego and say, i'm not, or he'll say, "i am a star," and that led him to those moments there where he basically said that he had the right as a high-privileged male to do what he did. >> the deposition is incredible to watch. >> it is the most devastating one i've ever seen. >> it's worth it. it reveals his true character. you see how deft and brilliant the attorney is. >> stringing him along. >> i was looking at our notes. some of the memberships into trump university was $35,000. >> uh-huh. >> no. >> are you kidding me? >> people paid 35 grand? >> it was as much as tuition or more. it was an enor