one, i am the same robbie rubin, somewhat older, at that time, i was in fourth grade, and much older when i was in the treasury department, and the other meaning of that, i think, is what had happened to me in the interim. how do i become whatever it is that i became and that got me to thinking about not only what contributed to my life, and what i had done in my life and a lot of good luck and what about other people and who have been measured by external metrics, and not internal metrics, how you feel about yourself and what they have pleasure accomplished in the world and that's what it is about. >> the harvard course to which i made reference, that was an epiphany moment for you. how so? >> well, we all got there, and the professor talked about the great picture of the ages and truthfully, i didn't understand a whole lot of it. and that was before -- >> well, it is true. >> it was poor grade inflation. >> and it occurred to me as this was going on, it seemed to be something else that was that he had in mind, and even with the great thinkers, with all they put forward, were not ab