to call it the big five because the only openly gay athlete we have in any of those leagues is robbie rogersho plays for the la galaxy and who won the last couple of them. >> here is currently the only openly gay athlete in the big five? >> publicly out. certainly there are athletes who are out to some teammates and they have a boyfriend, they're out to their families but we the public don't know or we don't talk about it and right now, the only one is robbie rogers. there's only been one other in history and that was jason collins. michael sam with the nfl never made a regular-season roster so there's only been two openly gay men in those five leads ever and there's only one right now. >> do you advocate for gay athletes to come out while they're actively playing? >> this is a tough question for our movement. because of course, coming out is a very personal journey for anybody and it begins the personal journey, it ends up personal journey. so i want people to come out, one because it would help change conversation in america. men's sports are held up as these bastions of masculinity and ha