troy roberts: dr.ley created an entire fantasy world where that attachment could exist. he developed this grandiose view of jodie and him as a couple. he thought, this is something that everybody should know about. killing carter, killing reagan. he needed something that would call attention to this. troy roberts: and his attempts to connect with foster were his way of trying to convince her they were meant to be. the defense had jurors listen to a phone call hinckley recorded between himself and the actress. >> look, i really can't talk to >> look, i really can't talk to you, jodie foster did not appear at trial, but her testimony was videotaped weeks earlier. hinckley was present for it and for the first time came face to face with the object of his obsession. only a transcript was released to the media. how would you describe your relationship with john hinckley? i don't have any relationship with john hinckley. her words infuriated him. in his diary that night, he wrote that he threw a pen at her a

robert lopez: yeah.: that give you an insight into-- his head at that point-- robert lopez: yeah-- dennis murphy: --do you think? robert lopez: --that was when we realized, you know, he's not doing okay. dennis murphy: was pedro suicidal? all the more reason, for erika and christian, to keep their happy romance quiet. erika friman: i was just concerned that i was gonna push him off the edge. i didn't want him to go home that night, knowing that i was dating one of our mutual friends and him think, you know, "i'm just gonna end my life right now." dennis murphy: but now with christian's disappearance, the cat was out of the bag. at the university police station that day, erika blurted it out...with pedro right there in the room. officer peck: do you know christian? erika: yeah, yeah officer peck: how do you know him? erika: i'm his girlfriend. officer peck: you're his girlfriend? erika: yeah officer peck: oh, i'm sorry. officer peck: and she goes on to tell me that her and christian had started dating, bu

michael roberts seemed eager to help mona, too. for instance, when she told him her 20-year-old son, dustin, was drifting, struggling to hold down a job and at odds with his parents, michael made a generous offer. michael goes, well, you know, i could take him under my wing. and you know, i could mentor him a little bit and see if i can get him off on a good path. and you know, he just seemed so sincere about it. and i'm like, really? wow, that's special. ok. dennis murphy (voiceover): which is why what happened on december 13, 2001, and the identity of who had been inside the roberts home surprised everyone the way it did. no light spilled from the windows of the house where the brutal attack was taking place. inside, 11-year-old bert was frozen, unsure. he had heard his mother being choked, but now there was silence. he grabbed a baseball bat, handed his younger brother a pen, told him to use it as a weapon. so you're the protector, and you're 11 years old here? yeah, and the only thing i wanted to do is protect them. dennis murp

robert. robert was raised mostly by a single mother. her health was rapidly declining. he became her primary caregiver, the young man of the house, when he was only years old. so his mother had a profound impact on him, given light horse. harry's shortcomings. she into young robert the importance of self-control, self-denial, frugality and honor. she couldn't afford to send him to college, so he applied to west and when he left home in 1825, his mother dreaded is leaving. she said, how can i live, robert? he's been both son and a daughter to me. so he went on to graduate in his class at west point and he completed years without a single demerit, which is an almost impossible thing to do. he became known as the marble model for his good looks, his good grades, and his perfect gentlemanly before the war, lee spent roughly 30 years in the us army, most of that time in the corps of engineers. he did spend two notable years in the mexican american war, mostly working on the staff of general winfield scott. lee impressed got to the point that scott basically. lee in fact, sco

robert durst was born into privilege. he never seemed to crave the limelight, but over the years, his possible ties to a string of mysterious disappearances and gruesome deaths placed him under the bright glare of suspicion. durst's tale has been the subject of books, television shows, and movie plots. it is a stranger than fiction story with twists and turns, a complicated yarn that has been unraveling for decades. here's keith morrison with "robert durst-- the lost years." [film running] keith morrison: there is a letter written decades ago. a prophecy? perhaps. a warning, certainly. a doctor writing about a very troubled 10-year-old boy suffering from hostility issues, sufficient to produce a personality decomposition and possibly even, schizophrenia. the troubled little boy? his name is well-known-- robert durst. by now, you've heard the bizarre saga-- the multimillionaire scion of a new york real estate empire, the disappeared wife, the dead friend, the dismembered neighbor. he's been the subject of several "dateline

but robert...wasn't around. police: when is the last time you saw robert? tasmiyah whitehead: yesterday. he left. he came in on sunday. he stayed for a day. he left. keith morrison: here's the thing: robert was a long-haul truck driver. which explained his absence. but not where he wasespecially when nikki was murdered. jackie dunn: we had to find robert. and we had to check on his--gps. keith morrison: and that takes a while, right? jackie dunn: yes, sir. keith morrison: meanwhile, detectives spread out through the neighborhood, knocking on doors. had anyone seen anything unusual? couple of neighbors said they saw a red car in nikki's driveway that afternoon -- a car they had never seen before. and a black car on the street too. they asked the girls... who could have been there? police: okay. does your mom have any other friends or anybody else that come over that you know of? jasmiyah whitehead: she talk to a lot of men. tasmiyah whitehead: she talk to some men. but the only one i been hearing her talk to lately is joe. keith morrison: joe? who was joe? c

so you got go to robert bellah. okay. so he starts robert bellah and then he adds this, i believe, however, that the conflict is not between religion and politics, not of one understanding that american polity includes the civil religion, that that is a points. right. so here's. american politics includes civil religion. so who's it belong to but he's not going to leave it at that describe why bellah as a set of religious beliefs and rituals growing out of the american historical experience is interpreted in the dimension of transcendence. we haven't talked about that of transcendence yet. this is why bellah cares so much about civil religion because believes that in a modern secular age it provides prophetic witness against the united states of america a sense of judgment looming over america. so that's why he cares about this transcendence so called. then newhouse continues, conflict over vietnam is rather between the government. lyndon johnson and richard nixon. the government and the american civil religion. a conflic

roberts.ng: hodge built her case leading to one main question most jurors want answered-- what was the motive? melvin's granddaughter thought she knew the answer to that one and could be found in melvin's will. what did he leave her? the building and any car that she wanted from his car lot. andrea canning: the building was worth about $150,000. it housed her store julia's. in south carolina in a small community, that would take you far, 150,000? mm-hmm. andrea canning: the state believed julia was worried she was never going to see that money. the reason? the relationship between julia and melvin was over, said prosecutors, and she knew it. they put a friend of melvin's on the stand to back up their claim. he wasn't paying her bills anymore and that he wasn't having anything to do with her. he wouldn't even touch her. andrea canning: and in what prosecutors believed was the final straw, that witness told the jury melvin had let julia know he had booked a cruise with another woman. that must h

robert luke: it does.ould be hard to explain away that evidence, then you don't know larry hoagland.... josh mankiewicz: how did those numbers get into your wallet? larry hoagland: jerry gave them to me. that man gave them to me. that's why i say he has everything to do with this. josh mankiewicz: he gave you those phone numbers and said,this is how you reach me? larry hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: and then, what, gave you another one because he had a second phone? larry hoagland: yes. he said, here's my wife's phone number, and i said, well-- okay, fine. so, i grabbed a piece of paper, wrote it down. josh mankiewicz: all of it to frame you for murder. to what possible end? for what conceivable reason? how does that benefit him? larry hoagland: he-- he's-- it's obvious we've got a maniacal person on our hands here. josh mankiewicz: tell me what you know about jerry. larry hoagland: i know a very little about jerry. i know what he looks like. josh mankiewicz: what does he look like? larry hoagland: about

chief justice roberts: justice kagan?thought that justice one of the questions he was interested in, and if not, i'll just say i'm interested in it, is how do we know when it is that you h put in these past events and you and mr. russell have said don't --ounow, you don't have to put in anything that's not material. mr. bacorrect. justice kagan: but, as to things re material, you don't seem to be imposing any higher bar. in other words, that seems to be yournly dividing line, is it material or is it not. and i guess maybe oes back to justice barrett's question too. is there some higher standard that we might use in this area to p a mass of cases that are perhaps less viable, less riouthan this one might be thought? at bar is what we've beenink discussing, which is the need to show not just that the omitted fact is materi thathe omission rendered the rmate statement that's made misleading because the statement implicitly epresents that the event never occurred. th real teeth because, if you have a statement, say, that is p

robert in roger city, michigan, and independent. hello, robert. caller: i just wanted to say elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are lobbyists. they have no actual position to influence mike johnson. mike johnson is not bipartisan. the democrats are bipartisan on the bills for ukraine and all those type of things. he broke his word there. he is not reliable. everybody keeps forgetting about the 2025. they never speak about the people. they speak about donald trump. that is all i have to say. thank you. host: robert in rogers city, michigan, and independent caller. we believe that house will come in to formally gavel out the 118th congress in just a minute, or maybe less as we simulcast here on c-span one and c-span two. you are watching the washington journal. we have been live from capitol hill this morning. at noon eastern here on c-span we will bring you live coverage of the house and the speaker vote and then we will go to c-span2 for live coverage of the senate. this and it go about gaveling in the 119th congress and their business, their legislati

robert: it is certainly very exciting at the moment.lia and hong kong and what i can tell you globally is there has never been more interest in investing in the united states and specifically investing in u.s. private tech companies. the world wants more exposure to the u.s. and u.s. tech companies that i have ever seen. caroline: and yet the valuations are pretty frothy. if you're looking at more $3 trillion company is publicly listed. are you starting to hear there is a worry about hitting the level of market capitalizations on the private market. how long can we sustain these levels? robert: i don't think so. that is not too much of a concern. markets are certainly not cheap but i do not think they are bubbles. for the maker cap there are multiple companies around 20 times earnings which is quite reasonable given the growth profile and the earnings they generate. to be clear we are focused on private markets, not public markets. for us our timeline is over three to seven year type outlook. when we look at these companies we are looki

robert— it, for a present to grow up in, robert strong, professor emeritus— in, robert strong, professoreritus at washington. we have also beenjoin by amber ross. we thank you both for your insights, memories, stories today of the 39th president, as we continue to watch here that state funeral beginning today, a multi—day ceremony process. right now it is all about where the president grew up. these are looking at, plains, georgia. the processionjust looking at, plains, georgia. the procession just departed, it will now be making its way, driving slowly, as there are many people gathered on the streets, the roads, highways, want to get a glimpse, sickened byjimmy carteras he want to get a glimpse, sickened byjimmy carter as he mixes me way towards atlanta, georgia. we are outside the carter centre, the residence for his price presidency where he made a huge impact after leaving the white house in 1980 way —— he led a multi—decade life of work, diplomacy, working against contagious diseases and of travelling the world in a post—presidency that is really making the history books not here i

as for justice roberts, remember he wrote the majority opinion here. it is a convoluted, ambiguous opinion. it is messy in many respects. to the extent that anybody professes to know what it means, john roberts is going to be that person. and i have contended all week long that the trump lawyers sort of treated the presidential immunity decision like a great piece of elastic or chewing gum and some point that bubble burst because they tried to stretch it beyond its four corners. they tried to say, for example t that immunity should apply ply to a president-elect because there was something so special about ththe transition period i was like being an actual president, you were imbued with idso many important things to d vis-a-vis the transition that it was just -- [ inaudible ] said, no, no, we have only one president at a time. and i think that argument was aprobably offensive to justice roberts. again, he wordsmithed, we imagine that he wordsmithed over that opinion and labored over it intensively in order to keep together that six-person coalition th

robert: i think if you talk to our u.s.mics team they still see a lot of reasons for concern in particular some softening in labor market as yours which have really been going on for more than a year with the rise in the unemployment rate, a fall in the hiring rates. they remain concerned that that could be pointing to worse news ahead. however, my own view is that the data still feel more like a soft landing in the u.s. and that those worries in the labor market have really subsided in recent months as the market has shown signs of stabilizing. we have seen the unemployment rate move sideways. you have seen some pickup in some of the survey-based measures. but it is a question mark, and that is the wildcard. those worries about the labor market. or are we more in the soft landing camp? there are no signs of an imminent slowdown, but there are risk factors. scarlet: one area that has been shrinking as manufacturing. i think about today's ism manufacturing data. i wonder if it captures the dynamic where are going to see, whi

the warren and burger courts did that far more than the roberts court. if we want to focus on federal law, the rehnquist court was the most active in that regard in the post-world war two period. so in terms of the voters through, their elected representatives, from being able to govern themselves by enacting laws, the roberts court gets in the way of that less than did its predecessors. now, the one area where it's been more active where it has done more to put up roadblocks is actually an area i would hope most of us in this in this room think it is particularly need it and maybe isn't doing enough but is doing more than it used to. and that standing up to the executive branch in terms of saying no to aggregations of power by the executive branch the assertion of authority administrative agencies that was not delegated them by congress. the roberts court does do that more than its predecessors, and i would argue that's a good thing, because under our system of government, administrative agencies have no authority other than that which has been given to

robert: could i chime in on that just to support what richard said? last year, as you know, there was a brics summit. 34 countries attended it. 20 heads of state. if you look at the communique on the war in ukraine, it could have been written in moscow, and probably was written in collaboration with the russians and the chinese with respect to the war. it was consistent with china's 12-point quote unquote peace proposal. if you read it, you would have thought, like venus on a halfshell, the war suddenly sprung up and nobody knows why or how. this was signed on by these 34 countries. we know what the intent of russia and china are with respect to brics, as richard said, and they are working very hard on it. there are five or six more applicants to join it with the result that i just described going forward. >> thank you. good morning. paul saunders, center for the national interest. i look very much forward to reading the report. i am very much with you on the idea that it is delusional to try and split china and russia, now or certainly any time in th

but a few years ago, robert was fired. the game keeper has now become a poacher. he smuggles rosewood, i read the valuable truth. label left none dollar and she called on gives me curious to meet the law from blah, blah, blah, for zillow. somebody, me for 5, any my numbers, but poaching is not without risk. the tree is in such high demand that it's close to extinction. for the past 3 years, authorities here have signed or rules with looking ahead lies a 9 day journey where a robot and the other smugglers will seek out. so and carry a rosewood tree while of aging police and navigating madagascar unpredictable rivers in foreign lands. and then some of the of the global of the heart. it's not only the police they have to avoid. marauding thieves have also been attracted to the area gone foundation and that therefore means a lot of like the carrying pack swing as much as 50 kilos and best search. the group also has to negotiate a demanding jungle the officer. how are you going to detract the groups off another truck? because robert is worried that he may be carrying t

i'm john roberts in washington. you again, sandra, to start another week. >> sandra: you, as well, john. i'm sandra smith in new york and i.c.e. racked up nearly a thousand arrests in chicago yesterday, and not the only agency getting involved, and at least 11 of them are playing a key active role, and dea agents in colorado say they arrested 50 people in a party hosted by venezuela violent gang tren de

first lady and secretary of state hillary clinton and actor denzel washington and custodial work robertnedy, presidential medal of freedom is the nation's highest honor. [cheering and applauding] is. [applause] >> good afternoon and happy new year. president lincoln had his inaugural address. president lincoln passed. frederick douglass. here we are where abraham lincoln said unify the nation. filled to join kamala harris. hell of a lawyer, by the way. [laughter] for the finalal time at the artf restoring the middle of freedom and a group of extraordinary who gave their sacred. let me just say to you, thank you for all you've done for this country, you embody the nation's out of many, one. people of different backgrounds and talents and generation in different genders, remarkable giftss and passion spent on our results as one nation, under god, liberty and justice for all. it matters it really does matter.. rock stars, sports stars. feed the hungry give hope to those who are hurting. it's amazing your innovation,zi hugh inspired so many lives. you answered the call to serve inan the lea

on your screen is robert f kennedy jr. he's the author of this book crimes against nature how george w bush and his corporate pals are plundering the country and hijacking our democracy. mr. kennedy, a rather strong title. i think it's accurate the book is, you know, i've been disciplined over 20 years as an environmental advocate about about being and bipartisan in my to these issues. i don't think there's any such thing as republican children or democratic children. i think the worst thing that could happen to the environment is if it becomes the province of a single political party. but you can't speak honestly about the environment in any context today without speaking critically of this president. if you go to nrdc website, the natural resources defense council, which is one of the groups that i work for, you'll see over 400 major environmental rollbacks that have been promoted by this administration over the last three and a half years as part of a concerted, deliberate to eviscerate 30 years of environmental law. wh

tracey robert's and the truth. agent vileta started to suspect that other events in this woman's dramatic life story might not hold up to examination. trent vileta: either you have to believe the whole entire world is out to get tracey, or tracey's a criminal and she just does bad things. dennis murphy (voiceover): agent vileta took another look at the story of the chicago dentist whom tracey claimed had raped her. he'd signed a confession offering to pay tracey damages, or so she claimed. but the dentist told the cold case investigator that the confession was a forgery. he basically said she extorted him. dennis murphy (voiceover): it all made the agent wonder anew about tracey's relationship with michael, husband number two. sure, some people around the farming town didn't care much for the businessman. but had he really been abusive to his wife? back in 2000, michael had been arrested for that alleged assault on tracey. but he told the investigator that he had actually been trying to protect tracey at the time,

nigel hamilton worked hard -- abraham lincoln offered robert e.ee the commander-in-chief position of the u.s. army and he declined it and because he lived in virginia and had interest there. is that the whole story? >> not really. first of all, lincoln didn't offer him command. lincoln, as we said, could have called him to the white house because the's appointment -- lee's appointment was in the west at the time and he happened to be in washington at the time. president lincoln could have asked him to come to the white house and pressured him -- appealed to him. lincoln was a very persuasive individual. could have encouraged him to stay loyal to the commander in chief. when phil scott. and to him as president. but lincoln did not do that. he asked -- not even a colleague, a friend, to interview lee and the story then gets very murky. lee never wrote his memoirs. he claimed after the war to various people that he had never actually agreed to remain loyal to the union. the secretary of war, cameron. he claims that lee had said he would remain loyal.

service, robert f.d a path toward freedom that endures today. guided by the constitution and his conscience, he was a key strategist to his brothers accessible campaigns for senate and the presidency before serving as attorney general. a senator and a presidential candidate himself, with deep empathy and resolve, powerful prose and poetry he focused the nation's moral compass on civil rights. the dignity of the poor. and the ripples of hope we can each cast as we choose not to vision, not hatred, but love, wisdom, and compassion toward one another. [applause] >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> ralph lauren. [applause] the presidential medal of freedom is awarded to ralph lorraine, the son of polish immigrants and a u.s. army veteran, ralph lauren transformed a business into one of america's most iconic brands, leaving a lasting imprint on the world of fashion, fragrance, furniture, and beyond. throughout it all he remains a dedicated philanthropist, including fighting cancer. classic, yet creative, timeless y

robert.- critics will - having this debate. thank you. robert.- critics will say l robert. chris? critics will say it is not a _ robert. chris? critics will say it is not a far _ robert. chris? critics will say it is not a far right _ it is not a far right bandwagon. the report said there — bandwagon. the report said there were six towns, rochdale -ot there were six towns, rochdale got one — there were six towns, rochdale got one mention. we found court reports _ got one mention. we found court reports gangs operating in 50 towns — reports gangs operating in 50 towns across the country. are you certain — towns across the country. are you certain as prime minister it is_ you certain as prime minister it is not— you certain as prime minister it is not going on today? why don't — it is not going on today? why don't you _ it is not going on today? why don't you order a national public— don't you order a national public inquiry? are you afraid it may— public inquiry? are you afraid it may expose failings of your role _ it may expose failings of your role and _ it may expose failings of

robert f. kennedy, jr. is our guest.f you want to ask questions, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. if you want to text us a question you can do that at 202-748-8003. mr. kennedy, you have an opinion piece in "the wall street journal," and i will show folks the headlines that says the democratic primary -- the democratic party rigs the primaries. what is the focus of the piece? guest: the democratic party is basically doing the same thing to me that they did to bernie sanders last time but worse. in fact, they are adopting rules that will disenfranchise the citizens of states like iowa and new hampshire. they voted against president biden last time. because i have campaigned in iowa and new hampshire i would not be able to win any delegates under these dnc rules. not only that, but the dnc is now adopting a rule that will disenfranchise georgia voters so that any candidate who steps into new hampshire, which is me will not be able to win any delegates from georgia. no ma

i'm john roberts in washington.kley and, saddle up and ready to ride to. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith in new york and calais headlines all over the country show migrant crimes on the rise during the biden administration,, weapons, drug trafficking surge now and experts a last-minute move by the white house could give the e stream. >> john: retired i.c.e. agent victor ability to react. but first fox team coverage, cb cotton shocking details of the latest migrant bus to new york city. >> john: brooke taylor reports on concerning race and sex trafficking tied to trafficking. broke. >> john, these victims are facing so much, and just don't know who to trust. we went to a safe house in texas. the bob's house of hope. they focus to make sure these victims have therapy, education and ultimately a safe space. many of the victims have been traded by their own families who traffic them here. >> heartbreaking images of minors at the southern border have become too familiar, allow clutching nothing but a piece of paper. office o

robert califf meant he wouldn't criticize the food industry. the head of the fda won't do it, who will? it's going to take the leaders who are brave enough to tell processed food companies to stop putting profits over our health. california passed a bill to ban dies in school spirit it was a unanimous decision. all democrats, republicans, and lawmakers and 15 15 other sts also look at the same. this is a type of leadership we desperately need. president trump just posted last week about the harmful additives found in american bread that is banned in your pick a fight we started over ten years ago petitioning subway to remove as a die carbon on by a cantors compound you find in yoga mats and she rubber. never in my life have i seen this kind of top-down leadership for these issues. it's the story picky to sit back and take it anymore. we the people can change this food system together. this is our moment. thank you very much. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, can we please here it for donald trump and robert f. kennedy for bringing to the top

this will be a chance for robert _ justice minister?ce for robert jenrick - justice minister? this will be a chance for robert jenrick to i justice minister? this will be a. chance for robert jenrick to see chance for robertjenrick to see that it's critical that the government has not done enough bearing in mind that only been in government sincejuly. and the secretary of state forjustice has said they inherited prisons in crisis but this is politics and robertjenrick will make the most of the opportunity and the news that has been uncovered by the bbc about the extent of the drones getting into prisons, and charlie taylor, the chief inspector calling it a national security threat. and our correspondent and there is growing loads of people trying to get contraband into prisons. and there are social media videos on tiktok flying over strangeways prison fly right up to the cell windows and using sticks on their arms. and demand that is around a weight of 1.3 kilos so drugs getting into prisons this way. and mobile phones and knives and th

for folks who are watching, what can you do for robert and his family? >> i think the first thing is again we understand, we hear you and unfortunately we have had to deal with too many of these tragedies. we want to be able to make sure they are getting into our process and into our system so we can insure they are getting everything they're eligible for. our programs are designed to help jump start the recovery. for what we can't cover we want to connect them with the small business administration to provide low interest loans to either rebuild their home or help with their business. connect with nonprofits and philanthropy. we have to have all these resources come together. as you have been reporting the insurance industry has been limited in these areas. so we know there will be a lot of uninsured costs. we're pulling everybody together. the whole society to help each family with their journey. >> bill: so many different cross winds, too. trying to keep them straight as we go. >> dana: thank you. >> bill: thank you for your time. we'll speak later in

chiejuice roberts: justice kavanaugh? justice kavanaugh: i understand your main argument is that the guidance was not misleor mistaken and give sufficient sh gave zip -- gave sufficient notice. but the disc earlier -- our discussion earlier i thi illustrated when there is staken or misleading guidance in a situation where soms benefit or license forain a something, that there is no real meaningful relief that the apa actuallyds, and that raises a concern about what checks are there on mistaken or misleading guidance in situatione someone is applying for a benefit or applying for a license or something of that sort. is it just a political process, public pressur mron: i think in that instance ther would be that you could send it back to the agency and the agency, because it was arbitrary or iousor the agency to mislead and apply ultimately a different standard than the on it ld applicants it was going to apply, it would then ve applicants a chance tohave to apply under the correct standard and they wouluatit. eck would be

he was sworn in that day by chief justice john roberts. due to the pandemic, only a small socially distanced group attended the ceremony and the national mall was filled with american flags intended to represent the thousands of people who normally attend the inauguration. president trump did not attend then

robert, an important conversation for us to have, especially today. coming out. trump administration 2.0 preparing the first move of his promised mass deportation campaign with a large scale immigration raid in chicago next week, tuesday. there are currently about 11 million undocumented immigrants in america today. trump promising to deport between 2 to 3 million of them in the past, claiming that immigrants were, quote, poisoning the blood of our country. robert, what should immigrants be doing in cities like chicago to prepare for these mass deportation raids? >> well, i think they should be getting a lawyer. i mean, really, this is getting to be really frightening, absurd, and frankly, the scale of this will far exceed what happened under the eisenhower administration. >> most of us. >> look, it's a historical term. >> what operation? of course it is a slur. so i kind of a little bit, you know, problematic to continue to use that phrase, but this on scale looks like it will be far worse. and frankly, unlike in the 1950s, this has the potential to

chief ste roberts: justice kavanaugh?justice kavanaugh: i understand your main argument is that the guidance was not misleading or mistaken and gave sufficient notice. but the disc earlier -- our discussion earlier i think illustrated when there is mistakmisleading guidance in a situation where someone is trying to apply to obtain a beor license for something, that there is no real ingful relief that the apa actually affords, and that raises a concern tbout what care there on mistaken or misleading guidance in situations whmeone is ng for a benefit or applying for a license or something of that sort. is it just the political process, public pressure? mr. : i ink in that instance the answer would be that you could send it back to the agency a agey, because it was arbitrary or capricious for the agenc mislead any ulmately a different standard than the one that it told applicants it was going to apply, it would then have to -- it would then hav give applicants a chance to apply under the corranda the check would be that the