this question from robert anderson in wiltshire. to what degree is of this conflict about religion?out reliaion? w, . , . , about religion? gosh. that is a big cuestion. about religion? gosh. that is a big question- and _ about religion? gosh. that is a big question. and it _ about religion? gosh. that is a big question. and it is _ about religion? gosh. that is a big question. and it is both... - about religion? gosh. that is a big question. and it is both... there i question. and it is both... there are nrany— question. and it is both... there are many facets to that answer. i mean. _ are many facets to that answer. i nrean. in — are many facets to that answer. i mean, in some sense it is about land, _ mean, in some sense it is about land. it— mean, in some sense it is about land. it is— mean, in some sense it is about land, it is about statehood, it is about _ land, it is about statehood, it is about nationhood. the original force behind _ about nationhood. the original force behind the _ about nationhood. the original force behind the palestinian cause was secular. — behind the

anderson? >> here in israel -- sorry. let's go to nick roberts. nick, what's going on? >> reporter: anderson, we're seeing outgoing intercepts from the iron dome. we've just taken shelter because we had the incoming siren of missiles incoming. it's a very short range to gaza from here. when the siren goes off, you have about six or seven seconds to take cover. i think there were two salvos of rockets. we saw intercepts that were heading to the north. then the sirens went off where we were, which is why we took cover. we heard those rockets come over. it's been a bit like that this afternoon. sorry, i'm a bit out of breath. we were just ducking for cover. we know the damage these rockets can do. one landed not far from here a couple days ago. it smashed through the house and wrecked the inside of a house. obviously you take precautions and take cover. that seems to have passed. yes, i think it's over. >> nick, let me ask you, you spoke to government ministers who gave you an outline as to what a post war gaza might look like. it's something u.s. security officials have be

anderson? >> jeremy diamond, appreciate it. nic robert son as well. we'll come back to you over the course of the next several hours. u.n. relief chief warns gaza is being, quote, strangled by israel's siege and bombardment. the palestinian prime minister says israeli air strikes killed 2800 people and food and medicine are in short supply. supplies are running out. joining me now is the regional director of the world food program. cnn saw five fuel trucks enter gaza from the south. your united nations agency have you heard anything more about access opening up? >>. >> well, look we have food at the border now in egypt and we have food moving to the border in egypt. there is a large convoy ready to move in, but unfortunately, the convoy did not move. it didn't cross the border. inside there are hundreds of thousands of people who were on the move who are in their homes, who are in shelters, they have no water, they have no food, they have no electricity, they have no bathroom, and they have no fuel. the situation is becoming absolutely catastrophic. i

anderson's real world. >> got some brilliant guests on my show tonight. we've got robert fox. also got richard tice. he's the leader of reform uk back has left in the corner. we've got the former leader of the liberal democrats, sir vince cable. we've also got quentin letts from the daily mail. going head mail. he's going head to head tonight vince cable . we've tonight with vince cable. we've got victoria hervey. got lovely lady victoria hervey. she's going to be talking about the royals another of the royals and another dose of common gary , the cabbie common sense, gary, the cabbie is but let's go to is back. but first, let's go to the news headlines . the news headlines. >> good evening . i'm ray addison >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . our top story, in the newsroom. our top story, the prime minister has praised egypt for its efforts in trying to deliver aid to civilians in gaza after meeting the country's president, rishi sunak said palestinians are also victims of hamas and expressed his condolence for the loss of lives . he also stressed the importanc

anderson's real world. >> got some brilliant guests on my show tonight. we've got robert fox.hard tice. he's the leader of reform uk back has left in the corner. we've got the former leader of the liberal democrats, sir vince cable. we've also got quentin letts from the daily mail. going head mail. he's going head to head tonight vince cable . we've tonight with vince cable. we've got victoria hervey. got lovely lady victoria hervey. she's going to be talking about the royals another of the royals and another dose of common gary , the cabbie common sense, gary, the cabbie is but let's go to is back. but first, let's go to the news headlines . the news headlines. >> good evening . i'm ray addison >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . our top story, in the newsroom. our top story, the prime minister has praised egypt for its efforts in trying to deliver aid to civilians in gaza after meeting the country's president, rishi sunak said palestinians are also victims of hamas and expressed his condolence for the loss of lives . he also stressed the importance of opening

anderson in tel aviv. this con flick has been going on for decades and the history is complicated to unravel. we bring in robert wright. he writes for the new yorker as well. robert, it is good to have you. what do you make of what we are witnessing at present? >> well it is historic and it is going to change, i suspect the face of the middle east in multiple ways not just militarily. think there are four or five big steps that have to play out when you look at the pattern of conflict in the middle east. first is the israelis have to contain hamas and regain territory and eradicate the arsenal and decapitate politically the leadership of hamas, make it less of a viable force. but then it has to deal with the h hostages and this is given tremendous leverage to hamas. and we all know how long hostage dramas could play out particularly in the middle east. and then it has to deal with, you know, what is next. how do -- israel has been in this position before. it controlled gaza and in the end it decided to leave and the cost ratio was too high. because it is been there before, there aren't a lot of instantly viable

both you the andersons books and and the brinkley edition of the the diaries and stuff, but it still makes a difference when you can immerse yourself in his because that's his brain as robert was saying. and let me add that i've done an analysis of the campaigns in 1980 that i think are consistent with the argument. i've made some of his speeches cite the famous debate. what robert kennedy and the sixties and the speechwriter say consistently that the first place they always started was mining. reagan's previous speech because they agreed that there was that reagan was his own best speechwriter. so i say, i see continuity now as reagan assumed office. this happened both when he became governor of california and became president. and, you know, he said things with more nuance than he did as a private citizen. and to some extent that happened. that change happened when he was running for president. i could i just very quickly on that, tony dole and even says in various places interviews elsewhere that when people asked him how, did you write so well for reagan, he said, it's because i went and read reagan and you ever you should look at the last address and look that dole on

both you the andersons books and and the brinkley edition of the the diaries and stuff, but it still makes a difference when you can immerse yourself in his because that's his brain as robert was saying. and let me add that i've done an analysis of the campaigns in 1980 that i think are consistent with the argument. i've made some of his speeches cite the famous debate. what robert kennedy and the sixties and the speechwriter say consistently that the first place they always started was mining. reagan's previous speech because they agreed that there was that reagan was his own best speechwriter. so i say, i see continuity now as reagan assumed office. this happened both when he became governor of california and became president. and, you know, he said things with more nuance than he did as a private citizen. and to some extent that happened. that change happened when he was running for president. i could i just very quickly on that, tony dole and even says in various places interviews elsewhere that when people asked him how, did you write so well for reagan, he said, it's because i went and read reagan and you ever you should look at the last address and look that dole on