we'll show you our conversation with penn state president and rutgers university president robert barche. then telephone scams that target the elderly. after that a senate hearing on intellectual theft and trade secret theft. c-span's washington journal recently conducted interviews with presidents at universities in the big ten conference. challenges facing higher education. it's about 50 minutes. >> this week, we continue our month long series of interviews with university presidents in conjunction with the c-span bus's big ten college tour. this morning, c-span bus is on the campus of penn state and university park in pennsylvania. and joining us from the bus is penn state's president eric barron. good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> to start with, being an educator yourself and overseeing a university, what would you say are the greatest challenges that you see when it comes to the topic of higher education? >> i think there are a lot of them. no one specific topic. access and affordability. in making sure that students fully utilize the opportunities that are presented by a campus