if you like robert bennett, the rules are against you -- >> i think it helps to have a personality. > does. >> anyway -- >> i will say this. mitch mcconnell did his job this week. it was a good thing for the country. >> mcconnell expressed confidence to the extreme republicans and learned the lesson in the showdown shutdown. there's no politics in the second kick of a mule. there will not be a government shutdown. we fully acquainted our new members what a losing strategy that is. john, i think that's true. but there's more likelihood that come january there could be a shutdown of some length. but i do think your party and the country got a wakeup call about screwing around with the debt ceiling. i think people who watch the finance pages, retired people. once you're 75 years old, the people watching know this, you can't get another job and make a ton of money. this is it. your kitty, what you've been able to save and build with interest rates, compound interest, you don't want that screwed with. >> john boehner and mitch mcconnell worked this out, there was never going to be a debt d

seen interparty fighting, prominent republican senators getting primary challenges and losing, robert bennettah in 2010, but what is striking here is that mitch mcconnell is the senate's number one republican. he's the minority leader and this is a significant development, i believe that you have one prominent outside group, certainly saying tha they want mitch mcconnell defeated and other conservatives in the wake of the budget deal, debt ceiling raising piling on mitch mcconnell and this is the inevitable infighting and mcconnell has a very conservative candidate who wanted to make o bbama a one te president. >> we mentioned jim demint. this is what orrin hatch had to say about that group. >> heritage used to be the conservative group helping rpz. there's a real question on minds of many republicans, not just myself, but is heritage going to go so political it doesn't amount to anything any more? >> heritage and the gop, are we witnessing a spat, a fight or is this the beginning of a very public break-up? >> i think this kind of goes back to the fight we've seen over the past two or three y

tsawwasse it it was senatoe wouldn't be in the senate if it wasn't for 2000 people that voted against robert bennettho was then kept off the general election ballot. they are using the system in order to magnify the power of a relative hrelatively small grouf americans. their issues may be valid and they have legitimate reasons to believe what they believe. and they don't have and shouldn't have the ability to control the system the way they do through the rules we have now. >> they are also very well oargseorganized and very vocal,o what does the g.o.p. do now? >> they are vocal and organized and have money in a lot of cases. i think that what has to happen is john boehner is the speaker of the house and mitch mcconnell is the republican leader and the governors around the country and the republican mayors have to stand up and fight back. and they have to sigh john -- sy john boehner in particular has to say i'm not the leader of the republican party or the republican party i'm the hid of th -- thehead of the house of representatives and he has to act like it and has to lead and not allow himself t

if you're like robert bennett -- >> i think it also helps to have a personality. >> it does. you have to win. >> i will say this. mitch mcconnell did his job this week. >> he expressed confidence that extreme republicans learned their lesson in the shutdown. saying there is no education in the second kick of a mule. there will not be a government shutdown. i think we have fully now acquainted our new members with what a losing strategy that is. john feehery, i think that's true, but i do think there's more likelihood come january. that there could be a shutdown of some length, but i do think your party and the whole country got a wakeup call about screwing around with the debt ceiling. i think the people that read the financial pages, people with 401(k)s, retired people. once you're 75 years old and the people know this, you can't get another job and make a ton of money. this is it. so what you've been able to save and build with compound interest, you don't want to screwed with. >> john boehner and mitch mcconnell had worked this out. there was never going to be a default. w

bennett's record? he lost to them murdoch character. talking about rape and don't say the word again. the trouble with the party is if you're at berkeley thinking you'll lose to a moderate robert lee has the 85 percent no.. plus the 85%. philadelphia 85% so the big cities will flood disown then they win statewide it pittsburgh of a fairly, the penn state, now a fair it is republican. so they win the electoral votes that is why republicans wanted to be by congressional district. that is why we have divided government because we have a system that benefits the republicans by congressional district not because of clever redistricting and gerrymandering although some of that and reapportionment is part of that. in pennsylvania 100,000 more votes for democrats statewide 13 republican congressman and five democrats. that is the way it works they cannot possibly be defeated ready by 85%. if you cannot lose the general election due to lose a primary to somebody more extreme than you. it is mathematics. what do you do? california took a big step. may be why things are starting to work i don't know you have a wide-open primary system now. but that is what we had people in congress who a