news and robert borosage, campaign for america's future.troy the president's budget. before it is even released tomorrow. robert overall question to me, love both of you to comment on it are we overplaying the problem with the deficit? is it the number one problem facing this country? >> not at all. look, if we believe in markets what the market is saying is the deficit's not a problem at all. we can borrow money at near zero. investors are throwing their money into treasuries as a safe harbor in a world that's a mess. europe's going under. japan is a mess. we're the strongest economy out there. so there's no sign from the markets, if you believe in markets, that the deficit's a problem. in fact, the deficit's been coming down faster any time since the demobilization after world war ii. it has been coming down too fast so we don't have the recovery we need out of the worst recession since the great depression and the recovery has slowed because government's a drag on it and it is an increasing drag on it. so we ought to be getting out of th