and then also robert bower. >> so that's the statement -- >> prevents domestic terrorism. >> but the actual charge. was the actual charge domestic terrorism? >> you're not going to find an actual charge of domestic terrorism out there. if you look at title 18 -- >> well, it says here -- but at the san bernardino shooting or the orlando pulse nightclub shooting, they were designated and charged as domestic terrorist incidents. >> they were charged -- i'd have to go back and look. they were charged likely with -- if there was a connection to a foreign terrorist organization, it would fall under 18 usc 23 a or b. >> so because -- because the perpetrator was muslim, they are -- doesn't it seem that because the perpetrator is muslim -- >> that's not correct. >> -- that the designation would say it's a foreign organization? >> no, that's not correct. if you -- that is not correct. >> okay. can you explain? >> yeah. >> why? >> home-grown violent extremists -- most of the people we arrest in the united states, home-grown violent extremists, self-radicalized, born in the u.s., doesn't matter