robert bryce. everybody loves energy independence. >> why not been independence and ipod independence. this is most hack need phrase in american politics. the reality is we live in an integrated global economy. whether we talk about gasoline, ipods, fresh flowers, tennis rackets, those markets are global. why would we want to be independent of the world's biggest most important transparent market? it makes no sense at all. >> john: people say we don't need tennis rackets and ice cream. we need gasoline. >> which evil countries are we talking about? canada? they are biggest provider of crude, is what wrong with canada, what is wrong with mexico? they have been one of our leading suppliers. >> even if it all came from a hole in ground from alaska because of it, if the saudi arabians experience a terrorist attack and lost supply or war with iran, the price of crude would be just as high as the suadz did i crude or yemen crude because it's a global market. it's like a frost in florida that devastates t