a been a station turning from a blessing intercourse well to discuss that now we're joined by robert buckley senior fellow in international affairs at the new school in new york mr barclay it's a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time thank you now almost every country in the world has a version of the breakfast at tiffany's movie about a young man or young women moving into a big city attracted by its opportunities but i understand it from your writing that it is a rather miss all the driest perception of what urban a station is like more and more people are moving to bigger cities. not because they want to not because they're attracted by big lives but because they have no choice is that right that's right no let me qualify that it's not. the general sentiment or how it's start of is that indeed cities grow more rapidly and urbanization happens as incomes increase and so in some countries and particularly in sub-saharan africa we've witnessed a phenomenon in which people move to cities because the conditions in the countryside are to their conflict or drought and so they

station turning from a blessed thing intercourse well to discuss that i'm now we're joined by robert buckley senior fellow in international affairs at the new school in new york mr barclay it's a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time thank you now almost every country in the world has a version of the breakfast at tiffany's movie about a young man or young women moving into a big city attracted by its opportunities but i understand it from your writing that. it is a rather mythologized perception of what are been a station is like more and more people are moving to bigger cities not because they want to know because they're attracted by big life but because they have no choice is that right that's right no let me qualify that it's not. the general phenomenon or how it started of is that indeed cities grow.

robert taft with a harvard and a yale degree and the son of a president. and buckley, one needn't say more about his elitism. so what is the, what has pulled elites of their stature, their standing, their sophistication, their education level, their understanding of american, their cosmopolitanism, dare i say it, towards becoming the "tribune" of populists. people who i dare say neither of these two american, robert taft and bill buckley would want to spend an afternoon with rubbing elbows. what's going on? tell us a little bit more about why they felt they were prime to speak for the great unwashed? people they probably would not let into their own clubs. thanks. >> i think the first thing to ponder is, who's an elite and on what terms. so robert taft intriguingly did not go to new york city after he graduated from yale law school. but instead went back to ohio. and became a member of a leading firm in ohio. that represented manufacturers in his home state. he was definitely a member of the elite. but not that elite. and i think one of the things that we do at our pe

robert: i think the three most significant figures leading to the election of ronald reagan and the triumph of conservatism, postwar conservatism were very cold water, richard nixon and bill buckley. what richard nixon did reading the coalition that went on to bolster him and lead to that landslide of 1972 that matthew was talking about and ultimately the election of reagan was significant. steve: 50 years later, the legacies. matthew: the republican party became conservative, became much more stronger on national --fense, promilitary, pro- using aggressive military power overseas. the democratic party became much more anti-war in that sense. the issue of race i think is central to this discussion. the republican party became the party of white working-class americans, much more so than the democrats, really disrupting or exploding the roosevelt-lyndon johnson national electoral coalition. and became the party essentially opposed to civil rights in most instances. i think on those two central fronts and the party of law and order, at least for a while, and i think in those areas domestically and overseas, the republican party was able to gain a kind of, for several decades, a loc