burke? >> as big as they get. this is like president obama coming in and telling john roberts, you know, i don't like your style. like how you do things. and frankly, i don't like you very much. you're out of here. you're fired. it is as big a fall for somebody in cardinal burke's position as it probably possibly could be. >> what about the new job that they put e put him in? is it important? >> well, not really. they're a charitable organization that does good work and are important to the life of church. but, on a day-to-day level, there is no comparison. he's the patron. so you know how the prince of wales is the patron of all of these different charities of britain? that's basically what his job is now in rome. >> in terms of previous popes, is it a known thing? is it a thing that happens that popes do stuff like this to cardinals, to the princes of the church, in a way that essentially functions as a public reprimand. so in a way, people who follow the secular news follow what's happened here. >> a pope gets to bring in his own cab gnat. but typically, they'll allow a cardinal to age out of position. or the