his name is robert cardillo. robert cardillo began his career as a public servant under ronald reagan working as an intelligent analyst. he would go on to serve in a number of high profile roles in intelligence circles over four decades. he was deputy director of the defense intelligence agency. robert cardillo over the course of his career spent, by his account, over 300 mornings in the oval office briefing the president and his senior staff. he spent four years managing and editing and at times delivering the presidents' daily brief on the nation's most sensitive intelligence. he's logged over 1,000 hours in the white house situation room, providing intelligence assessments critical to u.s. national security policy decisions. that includes this one. you will recognize a version of this photo. this is the famous white house situation room photo as the president and the vice president and senior leadership in the obama administration watched unfold the navy s.e.a.l. team raid that killed osama bin laden. that's r

we appreciate it, robert cardillo. >>> kentucky's attorney general says he will release a recording ofhe grand jury presentation after a judge ordered him to do so in the breonna taylor case. this comes as one of the members of the grand jury accuses the attorney general of misrepresenting the proceedings and filing a court motion to, in the word of their attorney, get the truth out about the process. the juror's attorney says the panel was never given an option of indicting the two officers who killed taylor. one officer was charged for wanton endangerment. here is how cameron described the grand jury decision during a press conference after the charges were announced. >> six possible homicide charges under kentucky law, they are not applicable to the facts before us, because our investigations show, and the grand jury agreed that mattingly and cosgrove were justified in their return of deadly fire, after having been fired upon. >> the grand juror has requested in court that any and all recordings, trips and reports related to the case be released to the public. the juror wants to hav

it is not something that robert cardillo have done before. he said, "i can be silent no lo lo longer longer." there is one important exception to that statement. our current president, i have briefed him up close. i will not provide details but suffice to say, the person you see over presiding over is the same one. that's the conversations are erratic and less than fully thoughtful. president trump's decision to rely on the board of dictators like lieutenant is unprecedented betrayal of his oath to the constitution. what's in it for me? we are fortunate that a true crisis did not occur during his first three years in office and 2020 happened. the reality and science of covid-19 conflicted with his personal views. president trump knowingly down played the pandemic. four more years would be devastating. we must elect a thoughtful, moral responsible and respectful leer on november 3rd. our current president is not that leader. wednesd end quote. >> joining us now is robert cardillo. >> thank you so much for joining us, it is an honor to have you

joining me is robert cardillo, former directof of the national geospace intelligence agency, that useellite data to identify the compound where osama bin laden was hiding. thanks for taking the time. >> good morning, jim. >> you served and i want to note this for our viewers, six presidents, four republican and two democratic. you write the following, "our current president basis his decisions on his instincts and his instincts are based on a personal value proposition. what's in it for me." to be clear for our viewers here, do you believe this president, in your personal experience of him, places his own interests over u.s. national security? >> well, jim, it's hard for mee out. all i can talk to is what i see and reflected in his policies and again as an intelligence professional, we often confront policymakers who come into a situation or an issue with a bias or their own experience, of course, but then they take on new information, and they use that to either challenge or adjust their thinking. this president has a way to deflect new information, even scientific data in a way that

. >> i take that as a nonanswer robert cardillo -- >> we have an opponent -- >> -- said that debt createsrability and the debts of that amount -- if you or i applied for a security clearance and had debt anywhere near that amount or more than our assets it would be considered a vulnerability. who does the president owe this $400 million to? >> well, jim, you had a misstatement in your question right there. the loan amounts are far, far below the actual value of the property and in fact he's very leveraged -- he's leveraged a at small amount. >> so he does have $400 million in debt? >> i told you it's probably in the public disclosures and the president remains under audit and for the last ten years he's been under audit. i have answered this question seven times so if you want to keep spending our time here on cnn on the one singular question, keep doing it over and over again. >> today the u.s. debts have surpassed $205 million. i asked you half a dozen team if the president took any responsibility for these losses. your answer was i'm quoting you, the president has accepted responsibili

robert cardillo is the former director of the intelligence agency. he's joining us right now.r, thank you so much for joining us and thanks to your service over the years. we're grateful to you. i know you worked in the intelligence community for more than three decades. you've served under six presidents. and you say you've never before spoken out for or against a candidate. so why now, director? what is it about this moment that is making you speak out so forcefully? >> well, thanks, wolf. you're right. my dna has always been quiet and selfless service. and i'm proud of the 36 years that i was able to do that. but now as a retired former government official, i find this situation exceptional. so i took an exceptional step and decided to speak out at this time because i find the president's behavior and his approach and his thought process to be putting our national security at risk. >> i know you briefed the president trump in your role as the director of the national geospatial intelligence agency. you say he has little patience for facts or data that do not comport with hi

. >> first of all i spent hundreds of hours reading robert cardillo. i think the fact he's speaking out now -- at briefings where presidents were trying to crack down on the right of peaceful protests or trying to prevent people from voting or contemplating staying in office after an election that is happening right now. in terms of what they can do, there's not much they can do. i think the military is jarred by frankly what happened earlier this year in lafayette square where essentially peaceful protesters were cleared with pepper spray and the military was used as a prop in a photo opp for the president, and there was talk of deploying them in the streets. the reality is the norm of -- it's going to take political leaders in both parties to lay down a marker that's just not going to fly in our system if that's the case. if senate republicans stood up to that norm we wouldn't even be having this discussion. >> you know, michael steele, that's a big if. you know, you have a "new york times" article i actually just read before coming on. much of the w