but you had robert caro's biography. you had recordings. people that knew him.ideo of him making speeches. >> there is no excuse for me to be bad. is that where you are going? >> this is a piece of cake. [laughter] come on. there is this. he is my height, 6'3". you are less than that. >> that is true. i am just at six foot. a little less. >> everybody talks about how they don't sense that. they sent the towering presence of him. how did you come up with the idea of being able to suggest that lyndon johnson powered over people? >> three inch lifts. i have shoes with lists. i want to tell you a secret. i had a conversation with the head of wardrobe. i said, i want you to go into everyone's wardrobe and grab their shoes. take the heels of their shoes down an inch. i was serious. the johnson treatment -- that was a big part of it. he used his size and girth to be able to intimidate. he invaded their space. he was right in on people. he would then them backwards. >> there is the famous photograph of the senator from rhode island. leaning back as johnson leans forward

robert caro, is detailed for books just get up to that point, and a number of others have written great books about just that period. i think the presidency certainly did something to him, the experience with vietnam was very searing for him. not to apologize for anything he did or tried to excuse it, but he at least himself felt that he was trapped and that he couldn't pull out of vietnam. he had to keep going deeper into vietnam but i did want to be doing that, and then he saw the public turning, or large parts of the public turned against him. a lot of the sort of little idiosyncrasies, or sort of, you know, call it a character flaw or character detail, his headiness in some ways that he exhibited up to the assumption of the presidency became magnified as he assumed these tools of power but rather great examples is his aggressive pursuit of martin luther king. by april 4, 1967, king concert to riverside church in manhattan and gave a biking, really just incredibly deep indictment of johnson and really the entire country on the vietnam war. and king had become, king was against the wa