. >> i'm so delighted to have this opportunity to sit down and talk with you robert d'angelo if i may call you robin . it's so exciting . >> it's an honor

. >> i'm so delighted to have this opportunity to sit down and talk with you robert d'angelo if i may call you robin . it's so exciting . >> it's an honor. >> i want to begin with it seems like a basic question but it's a moment in the book where you are actually dealing with the kind of tension between class and race and you told your story. and i thought it's really important to begin with

robert d'angelo discussing her book nice racism, progressive white people perpetuate racial harm interviewed by author and professor of african-american studies at princeton university. watch american history book tv every weekend. ♪♪ next on book tvs "afterwards", economist offering an insider's view on how boards operate interviewed by "wall street journal" reporter emily glaser. >> thank you for joining us congrats on your book. these can work better in a chaotic world. you where a number of hats, global economist, corporate board director and now, this is not your first book, author. there's a lot different corporate boards across industries this book is a playbook for how boards work, how they are evolving and how they can adapt in the future. i want to go back to when you are 39 years old when you joined your first board you are writing on issues that set you apart from others i came up corporate america. how did you learn how to be a good worker? >> thank you for the opportunity to be here and talk to you about my book but also give you an insight into the challenges and opportunities

robert d'angelo discussing her book nice racism, progressive white people perpetuate racial harm interviewedrofessor of african-american studies at princeton university. watch american history book tv every weekend. ♪♪ next on book tvs "afterwards", economist offering an insider's view on how boards operate interviewed by "wall street journal" reporter emily glaser. >> thank you for joining us congrats on your book. these can work better in a chaotic world

. >> i'm so delighted to have this opportunity to sit down and talk with you robert d'angelo if i may call you robin . it's so exciting . >> it's an honor. >> i want to begin with it seems like a basic question but it's a moment in the book where you are actually dealing with the kind of tension between class and race and you told your story. and i thought it's really important to begin with your journey to this work. tell a little bit about you and the way in which your upbringing shapes how you approach antiracist education . >> i'll talk about the aspects of my life and upper trainingi think is so relevant to the work i do today . what two pieces and one i'm not sure i write about in the book and that is that my mother died when i was 11 years old. she died of leukemia. this was the late 50s, early 60s. at that time you didn't talk about those things. it's probably seems shocking to people today cancer was a shameful thing and we were told not to speak about it and when she died we were told not to talk about it. afterwards either. so it was a traumatic experience for me but i don'