robert draper.o see you. >> good to see you, alex. >> let's talk about the pushback here. dave fromm writes, the libertarian moment is a phase in internal republican party factionalism. and predicts it will last only as long as it takes to get conservatives in the white house. do you -- how do you respond to that? >> he has a point but not much of a point. i think that after all, david has spent since at least 1996 on the record deriding libertarianism, calling it an ideology and can get grumpy on the subject. he has a point in so far as the fact that -- you called it a movement, maybe it's a moment that will become a movement. it's unclear whether -- there are polls that indicate on a social level in terms of foreign policy a kind of taste for noninterventionism that the public seems to be aligned with something you could call libertarianism. the mill enyell generation does not identify with the movement largely. it's hard to say if it's a movement at all. when i interviewed the libertarians they d

and if you go back and look at the robert draper book, on inauguration eve, january 20, 2009, senior leaders in the republican party plotted on purpose to do nothing. you talk about this isn't two clashes of ideology and they can't agree, they decided proactively they weren't going to let any legislation through. they would do absolutely nothing. i think the president on behalf of the american people can say you willfully obstructed government. willfully unseat ambassadors. even pay the golf bills, letting the government default. i think the president is the one with standing because the congress is willfully obstructing. not just him, but us. >> john, it's pretty blatant, your thoughts? >> a do-nothing congress pretending to do something by suing the president for doing anything. you're both exactly right. john boehner is holding a sign too, chris. his sign says, will obstruct, will sue a president for tea party respect. that's what this lawsuit of his is about. trying to keep his job after the mid terms with the tea party that hate him. as joy pointed out, they had the dinner where

. >> here from new york magazine, robert draper is here. we're sorry you had to listen to that. arians will win if the party doesn't shut them down. during the father's two runs for president as a republican in 2008 and 2012, libertarian activists gave him momentum far beyond his popular appeal. packing caucus halls and organizing rallies. but it's all an open question on whether these same activists will get off the sidelines and support his son. whose chance of victory is far greater and if they do it's unclear whether gop establishment figures can put aside their longtime distrust of libertarianism and welcome paul's bid to expand the party's base. and you go on from there. it's one thing i noticed covering iowa, new hampshire. ron paul, this quirky guy who i like and who i've said on the air i voted for him in the primary in 2012 and 2008. but this quirky guy, older guy just -- he was a rock star when he walked into rooms in iowa and new hampshire. and the question is can his son expand on that? >> i think the answer is yes, he can expand on it. the question is whether or not

robert draper saying he could wendy young voters for the gop if the party does not shut him down.eanwhile, the "hill" newspaper reporting -- a parade of , republicans looking to reclaim the white house. more than a year before iowa hosts the first in the nation caucuses, texas governor rick and sosenator ted cruz, far ahead of 2016, they did not seem to sing which themselves from one another. in fact, they repeatedly, mended their potential rivals while bashing the democrats and the president. that is this morning from the "hill" newspaper. i'd away, texas governor rick perry will be at the iowa state fair on tuesday. we will have taped coverage of his remarks at the so-called soapbox, a potential stopping off point for potential 2016 medals. potential 26 in candidates. check out our schedule at c-span.org. caller: good morning. one of the examples that i think put a scar on american -- the way the country has gone is when you have this guy refusing to pay taxes and to pay the government, it sent a bad message to the world that if you can stand up against the federal government, w