i mean, i think of, i mean, elizabeth holmes, phil specter, robert durst. we certainly watched the o.j. simpson trial, that has a different dynamic. >> martha stewart is at home tonight comfortable, but she wasn't for a while. >> i think we do see that. not to say -- they're more than one-offs, but i take your point. >> the wrap on the american justice system is sometimes you get the best justice money can buy, and this case seems to be potentially a counterargument. >> there's a limit to it. >> the prosecutor alluded to that in the press conference, we hope this gives you some faith in the judicial system. because we were not deterred or swayed by his money, his power, his lawyers. i think that is a huge factor in this. >> yes, what they also alluded to, the prosecutors, was the resources, federal government helped them out significantly putting together the time line, everything else, and so the federal government and the state government really joined together to do this case, and so it was a case, i think, where they put together a significant amount of