grant, you know, invoke the agreement they had to protect robert e. lee. robert e. lee to his death remain retrograde on the issue. the this is a pretty penetrating and compelling reassessment of what the meaning of appomattox was interpreted and the north really dead in terms of race in america. this is a reappraisal during the reign of henry viii. those who are fans of st. thomas more under henry viii and beheaded because he would not agree who also lost her head. the instrument of both featuring the voice and arguing or the separation of the church in england and the church in rome and ultimately thomas moore's demise as well. ultimately ironically thomas, lost his head as well. edison may be more sympathetic for trail of a skilled statement, a skilled manager who managed the kingdom of england for henry viii but is also responsible for the destruction of the monasteries, the breakup of holdings in property and ultimately severance of the relationship tween england and the church of rome. some of the real depredation under henry viii. it's a great read and coincid

robert e. lee had been invited after the war and he invoked appomattox and insisted the u.s. invoke the agreement they had to protect property. robert e. lee to his death remained actually very reprobate on the issue of race in the south. in some versions of history -- this is a pretty penetrating and compelling reassessment of how appomattox what the meaning of appomattox was determined by the south and ultimately by the north, really did damage for the next 90 years in terms of race in america. this book thomas cromwell by tracy bormann is reappraisal of a historic figure, during the reign of henry h.. those who are fans of thomas more under henry the eighth was ultimately be headed because he did not agree to the remarriage of henry viii to and bill in. thomas cromwell is the instrument of both featuring the voice arguing for the separation of church of england from the church of rome and ultimately for thomas more's demise as well. ultimately ironically thomas cromwell lost his head as well. it is more sympathetic portrayal of a very skilled statesman very skilled manager

johnston also, in the hierarchy of the confederacy, he outranked robert e. lee. now, in the summer of 1862 robert e. lee is appointed command of the army of northern virginia. i suggest that had johnston not been killed at shiloh, there is a really good chance he would have gotten that appointment. he would have gone east because he wasn't so close to davis, and we never would have heard of robert e. lee. all those people i have met who claim to be a descendent of robert e. lee, and some of them are. i'm sure some of them aren't. they might now claim to be descendents of albert sidney johnston. [laughter] the other part of that equation is that the federal command -- commander at shiloh is ulysses grant. he is losing when johnston is killed. he turns around the next day and wins the battle. had grant lost in that battle, that was the end of his career. likely we would never have heard of ulysses s. grant, 18th president of the united states. that is how history changed with shiloh. also, the first battle in the east that draws all kind of attention, mull -- manass

he says to go to robert e. lee and says, take from this whatever you need. thomas graves writes that he goes to the confederate home of robert e lee on franklin street. he knocks on the door and fitz hugh lee answers the door. he's the nephew of robert e lee a brigadier general, and a classmate of godfrey weitzel. not the same class, but they were contemporaries. graves announces he is here from weitzel to tell lee to take what he needs. fitz hugh lee is touched by this that he has to walk across the room to regain his composure. lee speaks to his nephew, and the nephew comes back to the aid and says, "send general weitzel our love. tell him thank you, but we don't need the money. we would like safe passage for the lee women who need to come back to richmond." weitzel grants safe passage, and the lee women are back in the home within the day. the same day in washington, lincoln decides to go see a play. it has been a tough week for him. it's been a tough four years. as he sits in the booth watching the play, the president is assassinated by john wilkes booth.

they both would eventually join the robert e lee camp of the united confederate veterans r e , lee campmber one. mind you, as i did my initial research on palmer, i did find that palmer and randolph belongs -- belonged to the same camp, but i could not find any evidence whatsoever that been palmer had ever married. i wondered how awkward might some of those meetings have been between old broken hearted been palmer and janet and norman vincent randolph? [laughter] happily, i discovered that been palmer did in fact mary in 1878 to a woman named ellen knoll, known as nelly, almost 10 years his junior. way to go, ben. she was from a very well-known southern family, a well-to-do family as well, and they, too, made a very good match. nelly was very socially minded, and she worried about the care of animals in richmond and pushed ben to get involved in seeking protection of animals in richmond, and it was through her pushing at that time that ben got very involved in a society of the protection of cruelty to animals. after he died and she inherited a good amount of money, she was responsible f

robert lee? >> no, there was -- robert e. lee was married to -- like george washington's granddaughter or great granddaughter or something like that. but randolph was somehow -- he was akin to everyone. he was a relation. okay. [applause] >> thank you so much. >> thank you for joining us everyone, have a wonderful afternoon. the john locke foundation. here is our prime time lineup. at 8:15 congressmen talks about recent book, guardian of the republic. followed at 10:00 with charles thoughts on how to reduce the power of the federal government through the use of technology and at 11:00 a look at japan as tomorrow marks the anniversary of the u.s. bombing. >> the corner and joining us right now is one of the actors that's exhibiting and talking about his book. he's the author of gas money. >> it's a little small town in virginia. >> why does it matter to you? >> it provided me with the foundation that i ended up with, it's the place that made me me. all of the people that changed my life, that's where everyone organize -- when i

robert e. lee south used and misused the agreement at appomattox to foster sort of resegregation, we suppression of black americans after the union one of the civil war and slavery was supposed to be over. they essentially invoked free spirit of appomattox has mean that none of them should be prosecuted for war crimes. robert e. lee had been indicted actually after the war and he invoked appomattox and assisted that u.s. grant, you know invoke the agreement they had to protect robert e. lee. robert e. lee to elizabeth remained actually very reprobate on the issue of race. so he has saintly view in some person of history but this is a pretty, you know, penetrating and telling we assessment of how appomattox and what the meaning of appomattox was interpreted by the south and by the north really did damage for the next 90 years in terms of race in america. this book by tracy borman is a reappraisal of every kind of historic figure during the reign of henry viii. those were fans of st. thomas moore, un

. >> with john randolph's daughter married to robert e. lee? >> no, there was a family -- robert e. lee was married to george washington's granddaughter, great-granddaughter or something like that. he was kin to everybody in virginia, he was very well connected. it wasn't as close as that but there was a relation. >> okay. >> garland tucker, thank you so much. [applause] >> >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us everyone. we appreciate you being here. john locke foundation. [inaudible conversations] >> no more -- >> you're watching book tv, television for serious readers you can watch any program you see here online at booktv.org. >> pamela newkirk talks about her book of the 17th annual book fair. watch it now on book tv. >> well, thank you very much.

we came down here in app mattocks and became a confederate group because robert e. lee, general lee, surrendered with the forge. so they asked if we could be part of it. the group i belong to has about 85 people. we really like the living history piece. most of us are educators or former educators and like to interact with people. i never served in the military. so this is my way of paying back to those people that have gone before us. and, you know, served our country. >> are there any stories you can remember from the past four years that something -- >> you know, there's a couple things that happened at every single event. and i think the favorite -- my favorite is not necessarily one in particular event. but at every event we seem to connect with the local people. and like yesterday, for example, we had some chicken stew. and a couple ladies came by. we offered, do you want chicken stew. they said yes. they ate stew with us for dinner. this was two days ago. and yesterday they came back and -- well, let me show you. they came back with lemon pound cake and cookies f

robert e. lee is obsessed with the ideals of being basically a gentleman in british terms and his code is locked in the 1820 cozy and 1830s. his speech patterns are. lee, you dare not curse around lee. just don't dough do it. early gets away with it. hari heath can get away with it. then grant dunce doesn't use on sents but is awe beated by people who do. he loves sheridan, and share don would goal on these tirades and grants sits there smiling and laughing. the lesson of this is not that you have to curse like a -- my old drill sergeant to be a successful leader but it's that leaders come in many forms. you get the incredibly inspirational robert e. lee who is a ridgeed gentleman and he gets early. early likes so many of the confederate generals who performed well lee early hampton, he was strongly opposed to secession. he went to the virginia convention made speech against iting fought against it. but like the -- as wade hampton opposed cessation in the carolinass and when their states cede the w

like robert e. leeho is obsessed with being a general and can't see beyond virginia, if a man like that who has failed in everything in his previous life as a genius for war and even grants on subordinates don't get him. sherman doesn't get them at first. sherman has to learn but grant is the first guy in any army that i can find european north american and south american, he's the first guy to realize what modern war requires. he won the battle of gettysburg against robert ailey but the moral of all these generals were you march out and fight a battle somebody went and somebody loses and you go back in your corners and replenish and go back to fight another battle or have another campaign. grants inside is that war has to be constant. and modern war you must grind the enemy down. as a percentage of forces engaged lease losses are consistently higher than grants except the coal harbor. grant knows what it takes to win. he is also the first general who divorces himself from the battlefield. he only occas

we're just a little deeper. >> logan: what's remarkable is that the "robert e. leeer watery grave with the u-boat that sank her, the u-166, seen here during sea trials in this old german film. now, she lies under 5,000 feet of water. for decades, no one knew these wrecks were just a few miles apart until b.p. and shell oil conducted a pipeline survey here in 2001. how many people died on here? >> ballard: the whole crew. >> logan: their bodies are still inside? >> ballard: they're still inside. that's a tomb. >> logan: bob ballard's mission was to try to film both wrecks in ways they hadn't been seen before. >> ballard: so now you just go straight up and around like you're going to crawl up onto the deck. look at that beautiful reveal. oh, i love that. >> logan: as luck would have it, the seas were calm and the images he captured are considered some of the clearest views of these sites. they're featured in a "nova"- "national geographic" documentary. >> ballard: okeanos, that's really cool. >> logan: bob ballard is not alone in his american adventure. his ship, the

. >> robert e. lee high was named that same year.dy evans says more research is needed to how the school got the name before they make any decisions on changing it. there's no timetable for that decision. >>> two men being held without bond on gun charges after making threats against competitors at the pokemon championships in boston. the 18-year-old and 27-year-old of iowa were stopped by security as they tried to register. police say the two made threatening statements in an online pokemon forum referring to the boston marathon bombings and the columbine high school massacre. officers found a 12 gauge shotgun, an ar-15 rifle and several rounds of ammunition in their car. >>> the late show with steven colbert premieres in two weeks on wusa 9 and cbs. today the network announced his entire first week of guests. he kicks it off tuesday, september 8th with george clooney and jeb bush. wednesday he's got scarlet johannson, elon musk and kendrick lamar. thursday, uber ceo and toby keith. friday, colbert will be joined by comedian amy sch

. >> the carving which took nearly 50 years to complete, depicts jefferson davis, robert e. leeand thomas stone wall jackson, all leaders of the confederacy. atlanta councilman has proposed keeping the monominute, but adding natives like martin luther king jr. >> yet the con fed rassey was only four years of that. and so the confederacy seems to dominate the perception of what is historic georgia, and that's really far from the case. the naacp has a very different approach, the group wants the monomoment completely removed. >> for people that claim that it is art, they are a lot of artistic expressions but that arth is not worth another black life. over the weekend hundreds gathers peacefully at the stone of the mountain. >> you are not offended by it. >> not at all, people with use it for bad or good, it is just a symbol. others a t the rally came with other intentions. are you with the kkk. >> i am. >> and i am very proud to stand up for my heritage, if these people now what they were talking about they would know that the kkk was started by six con federal soldiers. >> so wha

robert lee? >> no, there was -- robert e. lee was married to -- like george washington's granddaughter or great granddaughter or something like that. but randolph was

. >> reporter: the carving which took nearly 50 years to complete depicts jefferson davis, robert e leestone wall jackson all leaders of the confederacy. atlanta councilman michael bond has proposed keeping the monument but adding historical georgia natives like president carter and martin luther king junior. >> the confederacy was only four years of that so the confederacy seems to dominate the perception of what is historic georgia and that is really far from the case. >> reporter: the naacp has a very different approach and the group wants the monument completely removed. >> for people who claim it is art, there are a lot of artistic expression but that art is not worth another black life. ♪ over the within hundreds rallied peacefully and what they call the pro-confederate gathering at the base of stone mountain. you are not offended by it at all? >> not at all, it can be used for bad or good it's just a symbol. >> reporter: others at the rally like the self proclaimed head of the georgia ku klux klan came with other intentions. sir are you with the kkk? >> i am with the kkk and i'm

but her husband, phillips lee, who was a cousin of robert e. lee, was in the union navy. and because he was in the navy, she wrote to him pretty much every day. >> yeah. >> and the letters are just a treasure trove. >> they're great. yeah. >> they really are. >> well, there's so much in here i encourage people to spend a lot of time with it because it's just great reading. >> well, they were great ladies. fun to learn about. >> good for you. i want to ask about this concept of women in leadership roles performing amazing feats and contributing but perhaps not getting, you know, enough credit for it or claim for it. in the two areas in which you have lived your life, journalism, and politics, i was reminded when john dickerson was named to replace bob schieffer on "face the nation." his mother -- >> nancy. >> -- was one of those pioneering women journalists. it is not that long ago that women did not occupy an equal place. i mean, just the other day -- >> are you kidding? [laughter]. >> right. but, you know, the other week we had a deal where every questioner at the presid

it's good for people to render that - remember that flag was flown by robert e. lee and when he surrendered he put it away. it wasn't flying over washington and lee when he was the president of their. it was a response to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and that's what it represents. most of the state flag in georgia was the battle flag of northern virginia and flying over the state capitol was teaching in south carolina. as a people are looking at that issue more or less in the face although there've been 100 plus protein federate flag rallies. i don't know how big, scattered around the south. >> and there will continue to be. but i don't want us to forget or underestimate the power of the families. it is in the act of forgiveness and christianity. >> you will have to fight it out >> the texas state board covering textbooks and the approval of them has been recently considering history books and the treatment of slavery. i'm curious whether you have had any opportunity to talk about your book in texas and what you might recommend to those trying to get a broa

remember that that flag, the battle flag of the northern virginia was the flag that was flown by robert e. leeand he surrendered. it started flying again as a response to the civil rights movement in the 1950's. that's what that flag represents. when i was going to school in atlanta, you know, most of the state flag of georgia was the battle flag of northern virginia, and of course, it was flying over the state capital the whole time. my father was teaching in the university of south carolina. i'm glad that people are finally looking at that issue, more or less, although there have been 100-plus proconfederate rallies, i don't know how big scattered on the south. >> and it will continue to be and i don't want anyone to underestimate -- >> i don't think so. >> unbelievable acts of you know, forgiveness. >> cristianity. >> absolutely. >> i know y'all are going to have to fight it out there. [inaudible conversations] >> i've been noting that the texas state board covering textbooks has been recently considering history books in this treatment of slavery. i'm curious whether you have -- whether yo

it is martin luther king day/robert e. lee day. we are celebrating those things.nd you cannot celebrate those things and move forward with reconciliation. charlie: you have suggested the confederacy was only about protecting slavery. bryan: it was primarily about slavery. charlie: so anyone who fought on the side of the confederates was in fact giving his approval to slavery? bryan: i don't think there is any doubt that had the south one slavery would have continued. i mean, we can make up all of dose arguments and we try to recognize that slavery was bad. it is a false way of thinking about identity. there were white people in the south in the 19th century who were against slavery. and nobody knows their names. there were white people against lynching, against segregation. we should know their names and we should honor them. if you want to have a state holiday, have it after them. but to engage in this false narrative that demonizes those victims by not recognizing -- it absolutely does. it would be insulting to say that people in germany were still execute peopl

he offered command to robert e lee. that was the same day that lee -- virginia seceded from the union. he had offered the command to lee. david farragut is the first admiral of the navy. you probably remember him more than anything else for the expression "damn the torpedoes full speed ahead." that's not exactly what he said. but the shorter version is a little more catchy. winfield scott hancock is also a very important general. those of you that have seen the movie "gettysburg" -- he was the corps commander of the second core, which is the union core that faced picket's charge. he is a fairly significant fellow. he eventually became major-general and commanded the left-wing of the army of the potomac. he ran for president in 1880 and narrowly lost to garfield. the next fellow is george thomas, known as the rock of chickamauga. his defense saved the union army. he later became the general of the army of the cumberland. he essentially destroyed the confederate army of tennessee at nashville. military experts rate him as

. >> reporter: jeb in battle in 1864 but this high school got its name in 1959, along with robert e leeigh, at a time when the civil rights movement was gaining steam. now a group is petitioning for the district to drop the name. >> it was to keep people of color from getting an education here in their public school. it was all the more reason to do this. >> the timing is connected there but whether or not the name change, the name itself was for that reason, haven't been able to kneel down yet. >> reporter: they're going to pour over the petition which now has over 30,000 signatures to see what kind of support a name change has. >> i want to keep this as our community discussion. >> reporter: the effort to change the name started before the confederate battle flag controversy that erupted after the killing of nine people at a south carolina church. two prominent alumni for the school, actress julian more and bruce cohen are jumping on the bandwagon. >> if they want to change the name, they can change the name but the fact of the matter is there's bigger issues. fairfax sports could dis

. >> the carving which took nearly 50 years to complete depicts jefferson davis, robert e. leeand tomas stonewall jackson, all leaders of the confederacy. the moment is proposed to be kept but adding historical georgia natives like former president jimmy carter and martin luther king, jr. >> the confederacy seems to dominate the conception of historic georgia and that's not the case. >> the naacp has a different approach and wants the monument completely removed. >> some people who claim it as art, there are a lot of artistic expressions, but that art is not worth another black life. >> over the weekend, hundreds rallied peacefully at what they called the pro confederate gathering at the base of the mountain. >> you are not offended? >> no, people can use it for bad or good. it's just a symbol. >> others at the rally like the self proclaimed head of the georgia ku klux klan came with other intentions. >> are you with the k.k.k.? >> i am and i'm proud to stand up for my heritage. if these people knew what the hell they were talking about, they would know that the k.k.k. was star

it is martin luther king day/robert e lee day.t's not even that we are neutral or silent about those things, we are celebrating those things. and you cannot celebrate those things and move forward with reconciliation. charlie: by saying that, you suggest the confederacy was only about protecting slavery. bryan: primarily. charlie: so anybody who fought on the side of the confederates supporting slavery. bryan: no question. i don't think there is any doubt that if the south had won the war, slavery would have continued. he could make all these arguments, and we try to do it because we recognized slavery is bad. look, there were white people in the south in the 19th century who were against slavery, and nobody knows their names. there were white people against lynching, against segregation. we don't know their names and we we should know their names and we should honor them. we should name schools and streets out of -- after them. if you want to have a state holiday, have it after them. but to engage in this false narrative, it demo

through to the victory of vicksburg, later chattanooga, and then into virginia in 1864 against robert e. lee. that, by the way, is going to be my next boot. i'm going with grant to virginia. i'm not abandoning the western theater. after all he came from the western theater, and i still live here. so, we're not abandoning the western theater, just going eas to show them how it's done. but i'm looking forward to that. and as i did with the book on grant at vicksburg, the general and the siege. i like to focus on him on a daily basis, what was he doing. never really read anywhere, what was he doing during the seeming of vicksburg on a daily bay is? what roles did he actually play? and i will do that in -- with him in virginia, too. so, i think to use one of the phrases we're used to these days-grant went from rags to riches and did it the hard way. he earned it. and he had to really fight and scrap, but he made it. >> a question toward tom here. involves one of mississippi's own guys, earl van dohrn, i hear he is quite the lady's man, and suspect, general? >> easterly van dohrn is a fascinating

on april the ninth, 1865, general robert e. leeurrendered and the sultana sank in the mississippi river. it remains the worst maritime disaster in american history. alan huffman tells us overlooked story. thank you so much for joining us. we will be opening a phones a later on in the program, and comments to alan at our e-mail address. rshow@wmu.org. let's start by describing what you have on the front of your book, a picture of the sultana. describe it to the audience. alan: the boat in the painting is in flames in the middle of the river, and you see a lot of rescue boats and it is night and you see people drifting down the river clinging to debris. obviously it is that it was painting but it does -- obviously it is a stylized voteing but it does the evoke what was going on. the river was full of people. there were 2400 people aboard a boat that was supposed to carry 375, roughly. after it exploded and caught higher, you had people and horses swimming in the river channel, and in some cases, there may have been eight or nine guys

. >> reporter: it took nearly 50 years has davis and robert e lee and thomas stone wall jackson all leadersederacy. atlanta councilman michael bond has proposed keeping the monument but adding historical georgia natives like former president jimmy carter and martin luther king junior. >> it's over 280 years old. and yet the confederacy was only four years of that and so the confederacy seems to dominate the perception of what is historic georgia and that is really far from the case. >> reporter: the naacp has a very different approach and they want the monument completely removed. >> for people claim there are a lot of artistic expression but that art is not worth another black life. ♪ over the weekend hundreds rallied peacefully at what they call the pro con -- confederate at the base of the building. >> they can use it for good, it's just a symbol. >> reporter: others at the rally like the self proclaimed head of the ku klux klan came with other intentions. are you with the kkk? >> i'm with the kkk and very proud to stand up for my heritage if people knew what the hell they were talking a

we don't even have martin luther king day, it's martin luther king/robert e. lee day. it's not even that we are neutral or silent about those things. we are celebrating those things. and you cannot celebrate those things and move forward with reconciliation. >> rose: by saying that, you suggest that the confederacy was only about protection-- protecting slavery. >> it was primarily about slavery. >> rose: so anybody who fought in the civil war on that side of the confederates was, in fact, giving his dic shall did -- to slavery. >> i think there is no question about that. i don't think that there is any doubt that had the south won the war, slavery would have continued. we can make up all of these other arguments. and we try to do it because we recognize that slavery is bad. but it is a false way of thinking about identity. lack, there were white people in the south in the 19th century who were against slavery. and nobody knows their names. there were white people who were against lynching. there were white people who were against segregation and we don't know their na