grant and robert ely.ommanders in the confederacy who faced off against each other and fortunately u.s. grant one. what are we going to take down the lee portrait so when cadets are studying in that library they don't know who u.s. grant opposed, some fictitious opponent who can't be named like a harry potter villain? you know, if we taught these politically correct liberals a little more history, maybe they would realize that blm marxists and critical race theorists actually sound just like john c calhoun, the great 19th century defender of slavery, because they always reduce people to the color of their skin. nothing but their race. they repudiate the deck -- they repudiate the principles of the declaration of independence and the statesmanship of abraham lincoln, which is one reason why -- you know, this summer they started carrying out statues of robert ely and stonewall jackson but pretty quickly they went on to statues of washington an end rejection and u.s. grant and abraham lincoln and when you're

some people do not think about robert ely backed into a corner before he had to -- robert e. lee backed into a corner before he had to surrender. he is trapped. story ofo expand the the surrender, so let's understand the terms. let's understand what they mean, what their implications are for soldiers across the south end for the nation at large, how lee responds. throughout those farewell orders that say -- those farewell orders that says a lot about what many come to believe. lostys the seeds of the cause are already sown everywhere. we are often coming up against all of these preconceived notions about appomattox and what it means. some of it is adding to the story, helping people understand this is in some ways the beginning, not the end. we are pivoting toward what this country will become after appomattox. peter: you said that so nicely. i know you weren't at appomattox during the 150th, but what appomattox did is something john and i have talked about on numerous occasions. in fact, we devoted an entire show to the relationship between public historians and academic his

and a whole up until robert ely shows up at the head of us marines. and brown is taken prisoner and nearly killed and would have been killed, entering the engine house, going north, he reached for a saver and instead of getting the real favorite is a ceremonial favor and folded in two. it bled like crazy. but didn't kill him. than the john brown story would have ended right there but nothing like the effect it had but didn't kill john brown and he lives. >> host: the trial is a dramatic almost surreal scene. he is wounded during the capture hands attends the trial. by day by day. every now and again, comes back down and almost comic in its own way but we've got to move forward. this is pretty dramatic. what effect does that have on public opinion and a number of different realms. >> public opinion was already polarized between north and south, this pushes beyond repair. on his way to the gallows slipped a note to his jailer in which he said the crimes of this land shall not be purged away except by blood and john brown was prophesying there would be b

would argue two blocks from the robert e lee statute, donald trump should be lookg at statues of robert ely and jefferson davis and others, heas a huge, the clearest and easiest way, is to undermine the legitimacy of the institutions of the united states. that is why argue and i feel that strongly. this is quite a radical move the president is making. it is not a close election. it is close in the last 50 years it is one of the 5 closest, but is the fifth closest of the last 50 years. the least important test in today's panel. as you look forward, when do things start to move. at the beginning a lot going on, it is not essential but is it next week or the week after, the president-elect or vice president when should security clearances be issued? >> not that it wasn't important to start happening, it should have happened yesterday. the more time that passes, the greater the damages, the biden team is largely composed of a lot of experience so they may not be totally current but have a feel. simply meaning it would be greater and greater risk as the transition approaches the inauguration. th