craig murray, former british ambassador to uzbekistan out edinburg, and robert fatina, author and journalist out of kishner on... here, well, thank you both for being with me. i'd like to start it off uh with craig. how do you explain these countries defending unra now? well, i think in part, um, it's a coordinated reaction to the uh international court of justice ruling, and it's important to note within its findings of fact, um, on the uh, genocide, what it the, icj said was plausibly a genocide in in gaza, um unra was quoted quite extensively for giving facts on the ground, so obviously that gives them a motive to discredit uh unra before future icj hearings and also of course it adds to the genocide, it increases the genocidal pressure and speeds up the genocide by potentially. denying a incredibly needed food, water and sustenance to the the people of gaza. well, robert, are these countries simply in line with israeli policy and trying to make the palestinians especially in gaza as miserable as possible, and and do they represent this sort of a could we say, a genocide front, because th