i think that's the problem i mean that you know fisk is a journalist robert fisk who died recently since as i read. it was a journalist that in many ways i admired but when i went to look at one or 2 of the stories that he wrote. which involved days of work you know because you go down rabbit warrens on the internet of people who defend him and people who attack him you can go back to the source material in some cases you can spend hours reading conflicting accounts of the material that he was looking at and in the end most of us in the end up shrugging and thinking well i don't know i don't know what to believe and of course you know that takes us back to the beginning of this conversation that most people who don't have the time to do anything remotely like that i think you got to the position of saying why i don't know and it in a way that was donald trump's deliberate tactic he deliberately attacked the best media and said you shouldn't believe them the implication because being you might as well believe me because there's no such thing as truth my truth is as good as their choose to