. >> robert grenier joins us from washington. we appreciate your time very much. my first question, let's be blunt here. do you think the cia broke the law? >> no. i don't. i think there may be some individuals along the way who may have exceeded their brief and those are individuals who have been punished as a result. but did the cia as a matter of policy break the law? the answer is no. everything that the cia did in the program in question was approved by the department of justice, the office of legal counsel which is the highest authority to which one can turn in the federal government on questions like this. >> okay. part of this report, this leaked report though, says that the cia misrepresented some of the facts of what they were doing, to get approval. what do you say to that? >> i was not there at the beginning and so you know, you can take that for what it's worth. but the cia was very, very careful. in fact it did not start its interrogation of credit abbu zebeda, in the subject of these interrogations, they did not start these interrogations until they