(laughter) please welcome robert kagan. (cheers and applause) hey mr. kagan!s for coming on. >> thank you. >> stephen: man, i am so happy that you're on this show because you're a neocon, righting? >> i guess, that's what they tell me. >> stephen: that's what they told me about you, too. >> okay. >> stephen: i miss you guys because back in the early... the early 2000s during the bush administration you guys were like the cabbage patch kids, the tickle me elmo. everyone had to have a neocon on their team. it's like talking to a collector's item now. >> thank you. thank you. >> stephen: you're a whole bunch of different things. you're senior fellow at the brookings institution, a "washington post" columnist in. i'm surprisedded that liberal rag lets you write over there. you're a foreign policy advisor to mitt romney. is that as sexy as it sounds? (laughter) >> i'm very honored to be able to work and help the governor any way i can. >> stephen: you're one of 24 guys advising him on foreign policy. >> at least. >> stephen: but you're the best one, right? >> i'm s

. >> charlie: we conclude with robert kagan the world the america made which focts focusen america decline or lack of and its relationship with china and its rise. >> the united states go through these crises almost every 40 easiest. she had a great depression in the 1890's, we had the energy crises of 197 07s and we are here 40 years later. what's interesting if you go back and look at that period, the next decade in every one of those situations, the united states came roaring back and actually was stronger relative to the rest of the word than it was before. >> charlie: huntsman, kissinger, kagan when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin tonight looking at china, chinese vice president arrived in the united states on monday. he is anticipated to become head of the ruling communist party this year before assuming the presidency in march 2013. his unofficial and highly observed visit takes him from washington to iowa to laws an less. meant to introduce him to the leadership and the american p

torture and wiretapping defender michael hates we've got to overthrow this guy iraq war supporter robert kagan is the right tactical thing to do on consistently amazed at how little responsibility any of these people have taken for their really truly horrific things that occurred during their watch michael chertoff feeling with hurricane katrina and pushing through the civil liberties killing act and self described medieval sort of guy and dick cheney's buddy david wurmser look at all these guys they played very important roles in in the bush administration they don't seem to be particularly humbled from all the massive failures that they that they were responsible for while their track records are far from enviable how could any self respecting person bring in any of these people that brought us that great day whether the afghan war oh that wasn't good enough how about the iraq war i got another one for you how about the war rods there are these people are losers you are right it's convenient so no surprise is one provocation resurfaces the president should have built credible threat of milit

or robert kagan, a piece he writes in "the new republic."kes sense for a former law professor. a former editor of the law review. there was a joke when his excellent first book "dreams of my father" came out. if things had gone right for him he could have become a writer. he's our kind of people from our world of liking these mental games which is part of the job of the president. >> let me ask you what you think is missing. what's missing for him to be a great rooseveltian or to the extent a reagan-type success transformational president. but if he really wants to move this country, get the 60 votes in the senate when he needs it or break the filibuster, what does he need to do he's not doing? >> there's a challenge. the issue on which he rose to prominence, the iraq war, is part of his natural register. war and peace, america's role in the world and divisions in the country. what ended up being the big issue was economics which is not his natural -- fdr and lbj and clinton in different ways could talk to the economic distress. that's not h

as robert kagan writes in dangerous nation everybody viewed the united states this way including the spanish, french and british. french diplomats called the american populace warlike. the information got out somehow without fancy technology. shortly after the same framework, native americans and mexicans supplied by the north and the american south. lazy do nothing society in a way of progress. it was not no. opposition to slavery that triggered the civil war although it came to play an important role as the unifying theme. i'm not excusing slavery and it might well be argued that without the war slavery would have continued for several decades more also some historians disagree with that assessment. the more fundamental conflict was a clash of cultures. the slow easy way of the south as opposed to the rest of the economic expansion of the north. both sides regarded the other as the devil incarnate. the result was loss of 625,000 live. and massive disruption of the south economize by sherman's march to the sea. those scars still exist. the war is not really over as you know. the ger

as robert kagan writes, everybody viewed the united states this way. french diplomats called america war like and restless. they didn't have wikileaks in those days, but the information got out somehow without fancy technology. after the same frame work used to kill americans and mexicans was applied to the american south, a lazy do-nothing society in the way of progress. as i discuss in the why america failed, it was not northern opposition to slavery triggering the civil war, although it played a role in the unifying theme, a rallying cry. i'm not, of course, for slavery, and it could be argued without the war, slavery would have continued for decades more, although some historians disagree with that assessment. the more conflict, there was a clash of cultures. the slow easy way of the south as opposed to the restless economic expansion of the north. both regarded the other as the devil and the result was a loss of 625,000 lives and a massive destruction of the south that epitomized by sherman's march to the sea, violent beyond belief. the scars stil

. >> rose: there is a feeling that this american decline has been over blown, robert kagan has written a book to that point, the president, obviously, has said that he has taken notice of it. do you believe the american decline is over blown? >> i definitely believe that the american -- the so-called american decline, american decline is greatly exaggerated. i think the united states, is way ahead of everybody else. look at renovation, look at what is the concept -- the united states. look what happened when the united states debt was down graduated gras, downgraded, so that is the confidence. the united states is can do -- i mean if the political bickering stops in both parties and is unified, i could also what happened between reagan and the republicans and democrats, between can clinton and gingrich and now able to consolidate and work together, i think there is no way but for republicans and tells to work together, even in election years. >> rose: how do you see china? >> in china everything is controlled and managed by the government, as you know. >> rose: yes. >> and. >> rose: th

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organizations to hire and fire ministerial employees that manage -- chief justice roberts, justice scalia and justice kagan brought everyone together in the incredulity. they have basically said a religious organization doesn't have any more rights than a social club. so bad is the notion that the administration looks at the religious argument and does not see it. as mr. doerflinger says if the administration cuts the grant for combating human trafficking because the u.s. ecb would not agree to refer victims of human trafficking to abortion services. that is a pretty stark attack on a very basic principle of religious liberty. the administrative -- rescinded the o'shea or conscience protections for health care workers last year and let us not forget that this is the president who when campaigning said that when people get frustrated they literally cling to their religion. so this is perhaps a larger pattern. >> you no, too, little bit further on this, first of all you have to understand this has been brewing for a couple of years so the normal, the normal pattern here is held a little bit in the sense that

organizations to hire and fire ministerial employees that managed to unite chief justice roberts, justice alito, and justice kagan. he brought everyone together with this argument. the administration says the religious organization does not have any more rice than a social club. -- rights than a social club. the administration looks at the religious argument and does not see it. the administration cut eight grant for combating human trafficking because the usecb would not refer at victims to abortion services. that is a pretty stark attack on the very basic principle of religious liberty. the administration rescinded the george w. bush conscience protections our health care workers last year. let us not forget that when campaigning at, they said when people get frustrated at the better cling to their religion. it is perhaps a larger pattern. >> just to comment a little bit further on this -- i understand for the normal pattern, it has held a little bit. they got the provision enacted. it delegates used a party to hhs. they knew what they were doing by enacting such a provision. if we put this into law, we get to

organizations to hire and fire ministerial employees that managed to unite chief justice roberts, justice scalia and justice kagan that brought everyone together in incredulity of this kind of argument. the administration said well a religious organization doesn't have any more right than a social club who professes its messages. so, that is the notion that the administration looks at the religious argument and doesn't see it. the administration cut the grant for, benjamin trafficking -- kunin trafficking because they wouldn't agree to review the victims of human trafficking to the abortion services. now that is a pretty stark attack on the very basic principal of the religious liberty. the administration rescinded the george w. bush and conscience protection for health care workers last year and let us not forget that this is as the campaigning said when people get frustrated they cling on to their religion so this is perhaps a larger pattern. >> just to comment a little bit further on this, you have to understand this has been brewing for a couple of years, so the normal pattern here is how old they got this pr

organizations to hire and fire ministerial employees that managed to unite chief justice roberts, justice coley and justice kagan, brought everyone together and incredulity as this could argue till the end to basics is a religion or position doesn't have any more rights than a social club, the professors its message. so, you know, that's the notion that the administration looks at the religious are you and doesn't it. as mr. doerflinger knows, the administration cuts grants for combating human trafficking, because the u.s. ccd would not agree to refer victims of human trafficking to abortion services. that is a pretty stark attack on a very basic principle of religious liberty. the administration rescinded the george w. bush era conscious protections for health care workers last year, and let us not forget that this is the president who, when camping, said that when people get frustrated they bitterly cling to their religion. so, this is perhaps a larger pattern or. >> you know, just to comment a little bit further on this, first of all you have to understand this has been brewing for a couple of years, so the n

organizations to hire and fire ministerial employees that managed to unite chief justice roberts, justice alito, and justice kagan. he brought everyone together with this argument. the administration says the religious organization does not have any more rice than a social club. -- rights than a social club. the administration looks at the religious argument and does not see it. the administration cut eight grant for combating human trafficking because the usecb would not refer at victims to abortion services. that is a pretty stark attack on the very basic principle of religious liberty. the administration rescinded the george w. bush conscience protections our health care workers last year. let us not forget that when campaigning at, they said when people get frustrated at the better cling to their religion. it is perhaps a larger pattern. >> just to comment a little bit further on this -- i understand for the normal pattern, it has held a little bit. they got the provision enacted. it delegates used a party to hhs. they knew what they were doing by enacting such a provision. if we put this into law, we get to

roberts asked where do you stop? can congress pass a law to prevent people from lying about having a high school diploma? justice elena kagansked whether the government could go after like political candidates or cheating spouses. the trouble, justice stephen breyer said, is you can think of 10,000 circumstances. still, some of the justices seemed less than convinced that pup nishing a lie about a medal would chill free speech. the court record shows alvarez told a lot of lies but one of them is destined to redefine free speech. at the supreme court in washington, brian mooar, nbc news. >>> some breaking news, the jury in the murder trial of a university of virginia lacrosse player may be getting close to reaching a verdict tonight. julie carey is live with an update. jew julie? >> reporter: this jury deliberating nine hours now and gave the judge their latest update. they told the judge they need another 30 to 60 minutes to deliberate. they told the jim, for now, they are declining dinner that could mean one of two things. it could mean that they are closing in on their verdict and expect to have it soon or it could mean t