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robert kagan is the husband of victoria newland. the u. s . under secretary of state, it was fuzzy linked to ukraine's 2014 my done uprising. the united states has used its power and influence to defend and support the hedge money of liberalism. the defense of ukraine is a defense of the liberal hedge money. when republican senator, mitch mcconnell and others, say that the united states has a vital interest in ukraine, they do not mean that the united states will be directly threatened if ukraine falls. they mean that the liberal world order will be threatened if ukraine falls awhile. kagan claims the liberal world hinges on ukraine's success in the conflicts . he is seemingly ignoring your decision to suppress opposition media, deny citizens the right to piece, full assembly, and order a crackdown on ukraine's orthodox church. or wall ranking in the world's top. 67th percentile of corrupt states. washington's fides for the liberal world order has placed it on the center of the federal government collapses. with a former us national security a

with going all the way back to the wars in central america, in particular, elliott abrams and robert kagan who was working for him in the state department. and it doesn't matter how wrong they are, and we know wrong they are, because there are all these promises about implanting democracy in baghdad and emanating out across the middle east and what all of the fiascos that they have orchestrated? they're never held to account for number one. and number two, their platforms always secured because, of course, they're funded by the war industry, all of their think tanks, brookings council, are awash in the money from the weapons industry. and of course, they have a lock on the media. so i you know, let's go back to the first iraq war. so i speak arabic seven years in the middle east, covered it for the new york times. but because i didn't repeat, the care of the dominant narrative, the so-called expert, it's who were trotted out. i don't they could find most countries in the middle east on a map they certainly didn't have anywhere near the experience that i had in the middle east. but that and

i played justice kagan at the top. justice robertsis apparently bereft at the plunging approval rating of the court. we also don't need anyone, an internal investigator or the fbi, to suss out why. they are doing things that any normal listener of confirmation hearings thought they weren't going to do. right? they talked about precedent. i'm not a lawyer. maybe they left themselves some verbal wiggle room. i said this in the last hour. i'm just a cable anchor trying to follow the stories where they go. but it certainly sounds like when they were before the senate judiciary committee that they viewed roe as precedent. and that sounds like if you're not a lawyer something you're not going to touch. we also know that ginni thomas was really psyched about the coup. she said so. she wrote it in e-mails and she tried to get other people to carry out a coup. this is all information readily available to chief justice john roberts. why do you think he does nothing except keep digging? >> well, supreme court is definitely if we didn't know it b