>> rose: welcome to the program, tonight we connect politics to geology and we talk to robert kaplan, his book is "the revenge of geography." i've been thinking about it my whole career as a foreign correspondent that stretches back three decades to the early phases of the -- the early part of the last phase of the cold war and in every place i went it was physical features that changed things. i would go from -- every time i crossed the afghan/pakistan border i did so illegally with a mujahadeen group fighting the soviets in the 1980s. and when i'd go from afghanistan to pakistan or back and forth there was a line on the map but i didn't experience it. i just experienced the same indo islamic civilization of pashtuns on each side. so i said there's more here than the official lines on a map. it's territory that matters and how territory helps shape culture. >> rose: we continue this evening with the new movie directed by lee daniels called "paper boy." it stars matthew mcconaughey, zac ephron and nicole kid man. >> i did it may way. i bucked society and i have down the films that i w

joining us is robert kaplan, professor of leadership at harvard business school, a former goldman sachsod morning. >> so roughly 91% of his target bonus of 620,000, this is according to the proxy that was filed yesterday, and again, they're citing windows revenue, should he have deserved the full thing or not even this much? >> my guess is he might have had something to do with his bonus and that let's face it, he owns 330 million shares, so his dividends alone are $300 million. this is largely symbolic in that he wants to act like an owner, be a leader, show he's accountable. and the fact that his subordinates get paid double digit millions in bonuses i think tells you this is largely symbolic for a ceo who wants to be accountable. >> yeah. accountable for what? we all know the challenges, the pc sector's facing in general, intel's at a new 52-week low this morning, hp can't put two sentences together without getting criticized. isn't he doing relatively well in an area that's obviously hugely challenged? >> yeah, he is. the pc demand is weak. that hurts windows. he's trying to migrate