i want to make one other point, and i'm interested if robert kaplan would comment on this.twice talked about reaching this level of sufficiently restrictive level. he said the first time in the speech, we're committed to achieving the sufficiently restrictive level. then the second time, he said we're trying to achieve a restrictive level. it tells you, robert, you know better as well as anybody, about choosing your words carefully. he is not ready to go and say the fed is done. i don't think it's crazy to think if this economy does not slow, the fed will do more. >> i agree with all of that. and here's the unfortunate reason why they may need to do more. i don't think the organic or underlying economy is that much stronger than it was pre-covid. the real feds fund rate organically is still half to three quarters of 1% real. i think what you've got here -- >> and we're at 2 1/2 percent or something these days. >> what you have got going on right now is deficit spending in size. i know the "inflation reduction act" and the infrastructure act were supposed to be paid for, but

kaplan, robert kaplan, has a sentence about american policy makers, and even about the centers of the middle east, they do not have a proper coordination center, they call it the middle east, but they have sufficient knowledge of the middle east. they don't have it, that's why politics doesn't always succeed. their policies are challenged if they don't expire completely, but they face various challenges. as a result of this , you can't solve the issues, especially the 75-year-old age issue. you didn't have any solution. but it is true that the zionist regime the issue of two states will not go under the burden, that is, despite this, they know, that is, even the intelligent powers that exist in the united states know this , especially after the al-aqsa storm operation, when the issue of two states is completely off the table. it is interesting that i now i don't remember exactly, but after the al-aqsa storm, there were polls inside palestine that more than 70-80% of the palestinian people declared their opposition to this government . now let's go back to this. and saudi arabia is not

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tom: norman, ala kissinger, robert kaplan and frankly you, is this a day where america shifts back toeal politics? forget about shuttle diplomacy and all of that. this morning is all about a realpolitik that we think we have forgotten and moved on from. norman: the slime of the middle east is unlike las vegas. what happens in the middle east never stays in the middle east. the biden administration will need not only a strategy to address this issue, a strategy to see how this impacts existing programs such as the iran and 70 initiatives, but likewise they might have to staff this out. they're going to have to apply a lot of personnel and policy-maker bandwidth which will come at a cost of other issues. this is a seismic issue which will transform regional policymaking and international policymaking. the ripples of this attack in terms of policy and domestic politics are still playing out. jonathan: i want to ask you this question to wrap things up. no speaker of the house, no ambassador. is that a symbolic failure, or one with real consequences? >> certainly a symbolic problem, but we