. >> one of the lawyers and friends was the late robert kardashian, father to kim kardashian. >> right>> and very shadowy figure, and i investigated this case. and he was around simpson all of the time. a he removed some of simpson's items in a suitcase from his home, and you knew kardashian, and you, and according to the book, you were speaking to him when all of this was going on. >> tell us about it. >> well, i had talked to o.j. on the cell phone a couple of times during the interim period of the murder itself and the bronco chase sunday night to friday. and i had talked to kardashian as well. that is how i knew that o.j. had left his house on wednesday when the whole world is reporting with helicopters whirring overhe overhead that he had sneaked out of the house. it is an interesting time and i'm working at abc and working sports and also trying to help out the news division. >> ted koppel. >> i said, look, i can give you certain information, but i can't -- it is not for attribution, but you will trust me. >> and you were getting it for kardashian. >> yes. >> who before he died,